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NOTES AND QUERIES. 



[2«"i 8. VII. Feb. 12. '59. 



removed from St. Nicholas Church, Deptford, and 

 where to ? The inscription is given in Thorpe's 

 Registrum Rqffense, p. 946. Esshetisfoed. 



Quotations Wanted. — I should be grateful to 

 any reader who would inform me through the 

 medium of " N. & Q.," where any of the following 

 passages are taken from : — 



" Fleres, si scires unum tua tempora mensem ; 

 Eides, cum noa sit forsitan una dies." 

 " Quicquid agunt alii, sis memor ipse tui." 

 " Mediis iramotus in undis." 



" Tanto melius nebulam videt, qui extra nebulam est." 

 " Difficillimum est simul et multa et opportuna dicere." 



S. T. P. 



Francis Sanders, Confessor of James II. — At 

 the end of an 8vo. volume called Curious Frag- 

 ments of English History, collected by " William 

 Helme," and printed at Brentford, 1815, 1 find an 

 account of the " Death of King James the Second 

 as related by Father Francis Sanders of the So- 

 ciety of Jesus, and Confessor to His Majesty." 

 Can you inform me of the antecedents of this 

 man? whether he was Confessor at the English 

 Court during the above-mentioned king's reign, 

 or any particulars respecting him ? W. H. W. 



[Francis Sanders was received a convictor of the Eng- 

 lish College at Rome in 1667 ; and on Jan. 4, 1674, en- 

 rolled himself among the children of St. Ignatius. For a 

 time he was Confessor to King James II. at St. Germains, 

 and most assiduously attended his Majesty during his 

 last illness, from Aug. 22 to Sept. 5, 1701. He survived 

 his royal master several years, dying at St. Germains, 

 Feb. 19, 1710, aged sixty-two. — Dr. Oliver's Collection of 

 Biography of British Jesuits.'\ 



Circumcision. — This rite has undoubtedly been 

 practised since a very early period in the history 

 of the world, and is said to be of Phoenician 

 origin. I should be very much obliged if any of 

 your readers can inform me of the earliest period 

 at which circumcision can be proved to have been 

 practised, and also the nature of the evidence 

 which is supposed to establish its pre-Abrahamic 

 origin. An opinion is at present gaining ground, 

 even among the Jews, that this singular and bar- 

 barous rite was copied by the Jews from some 

 more ancient people (probably the Egyptians), and 

 that Moses incorporated it with other Egyptian 

 customs into the code of laws which he gave to the 

 Jews. It would be most desirable and humane if 

 increased knowledge of the origin of this custom 

 could induce the Jews to give it up, and there- 

 fore any facts connected with this subject will be 

 much appreciated by A. G. H. 



Lincoln's Inn. 



(^The earliest mention of circumcision occurs in Gen. 

 xvii. 9—14, where it is not instituted, but referred to ; 



and, in consequence, must have existed as an observance, 

 before it was sanctioned as a law to Abraham and his 

 descendants. Herodotus traces the origin of it to the 

 Egyptians (ii. 104.), from whom, he says, the Phoenicians 

 and the Syrians in Palestine (i. e. the Jews) learned it. 

 And Wilkinson saj's : — " The antiquity of its institution 

 in Egypt is fully established by the monuments of the 

 upper and lower country, at a period long antecedent to 

 the exodus and the arrival of Joseph " (v. 317 — 18.). He 

 is farther of opinion that the practice was general among 

 them. Calmet, however, thought otherwise; contending 

 that " circumcision never was of general and indispensable 

 obligation on the whole nation ; certain priests only, and 

 particular professions, were obliged to submit to it." — 

 (Vide Diet. Bibl. in loc.) As the practice of it was com- 

 manded by the Almighty to Abraham and his posterity, 

 we cannot therefore share in the sympathies of A. G. H., 

 and consider it either " singular or barbarous." The rite 

 is as necessary to the Jews as baptism to ourselves. "We 

 beg, in conclusion, to refer our correspondent to Fair- 

 bairn's Typology of Scripture (vol. i. 321. s(/.), where its 

 origin, nature, and meaning, are most fully and satisfac- 

 torily explained.] 



Bonaparte Family. — What are the armorial 

 bearings and crest of the Bonaparte family ? 



J. A. C. 



[The arms of the Bonapartes of Corsica (engraved in 

 The Illustrated London News, Jan. 3, 1852, p. 23.) are 

 Gu. two bendlets sinister, between two stars of five 

 points or. For these family arms the Emperor Napoleon 

 substituted the well-known ensigns of the French Empire, 

 Az. an eagle clutching a thunderbolt or.] 



Pronunciation of Turquoise. — Will you en- 

 lighten me as to the right pronunciation of the 

 word Turquoise ? It seems that Mr. Kean in 

 playing the Merchant of Venice lately pronounced 

 it Turkise, or something like it. I find in John- 

 son that Turquoise is a French word, and refers 

 to Turkois as if it were an English word. Now 

 nothing is more likely than that Shakspeare should 

 have used a French word, and that he did so use 

 Turquoise. If so, why should it be pronounced 

 as an English one ? If, on the contrary, he used 

 an English word, why should he have spelled it, 

 as it is in all editions I believe, as a French one ? 

 Mr. Kean's pronunciation has been much can- 

 vassed, and it will, I think, be satisfactory to 

 your readers to know your opinion upon it. 



C. H. COTTRELI,. 



[Mr. Charles Kean would probably justify his pronun- 

 ciation by the early orthography of the word. Thus as we 

 learn from the notes in the Variorum Shakspeare (ed. 

 1821) V. p. 77., "The Turkey Stone," as it was some- 

 times designated, is called Turkise by Ben Jonson in his 

 Sejanus, Turkesse by Draj'ton, and Turkeys by Edward 

 Fentonin his Secret TFonders of Nature, bl, letter, 1569.] 



Ovid, 1502-3. — Can you give me information 

 about an Aldine edition of Ovid dated 1503 ? Is 

 it only a reprint of the 1502 edition praised by 

 Dibdin ? I have lately met with one volume con- 

 taining the Fasti, Tristia, and De Panto, dated 

 Feb. 1503. J. A. S. 



[This is one and the same edition in three volumes, 

 12mo. Vols. I. and II. are dated 1502 j Vol. III. (the 



