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NOTES AND QUERIES. 



[2nd S. VIII. Nov. 5. '59. 



trived to convey ingenious thoughts. Pannard,a modern 

 French poet, has tortured his agreeable vein of poetry 

 into such forms. He has made some of his Bacchanalian 

 songs take the figures of bottles, and others of glasses. 

 These objects are perfectly drawn b}"^ tiie various mea- 

 sure of the verses which form the song." 



A Magyar Exile. 

 Edinburgh. 



P. D. will find sorae verses taking their names 

 from the forms they assume, in a work intitled 

 PoetcB Minores Groeci, Cantab, mdclxxxiv. The 

 Syrinx of Theocritus is also attributed to Sim- 

 mias, a n;rammarian of Rhodes. This work con- 

 tains " Simmiae Rhodii Ovum," " Siramise Rhodii 

 Alae," " Simmiae Rhodii Securis ; vel secundum 

 alios, Theocriti," another Syrinx, inscribed to Pan ; 

 and " Simmiae Ara, vel secundum alios, Theo- 

 criti." R. C. 



Cork. 



OLIVER ST. JOHN. 



(2"* S. vii. 27.) 



Although the Query which you were so good 

 as to insert for me on the 8th January last, re- 

 specting the identity of " Black Oliver St. John " 

 produced no reply through your pages, I am 

 happy to state that it led to several communica- 

 tions being made to me direct, which have af- 

 forded links in the chain of evidence establishing 

 the point in question. In the query referred to, 

 I suggested that " Black Oliver " might have been 

 the son, or the grandson, of John St. John of 

 Lydiard Tregose, the great-grandfather of Oliver 

 Lord Grandison. In this conjecture I was cor- 

 rect. Oliver, the second son of John St. John, is 

 stated by Edinondson (iv. 328.) to have married 

 the daughter and coheir of — Love, of Winchel- 

 sea, and to have had three sons, Oliver, Nicholas, 

 and John.* 



It appears from this document that Oliver St. 

 John and Margaret Love were married before 

 John Love made his will, which is dated 26th 

 March, 1593, for in it he bequeaths to " son St. 

 John and Margaret, my daughter, his wife, all 

 lands, &c.," and, " to son St John house he now 

 lives in in Winchelsea." The marriage must, 

 however, have taken place a few years previously 

 to that date, for his eldest son, Nicholas, was of 

 age on 10th May, 6th Jas., when he joined in the 

 conveyance of certain lands to Thomas Risley. 

 It appears from another indenture, dated 5th 

 May, 13th Jas. (1615) that Oliver St. John's two 

 younger sons, Oliver and John, were then still 

 minors ; that their father was living at Marl- 

 borough, and that their mother was dead. We 



* This statement is confirmed by a document among 

 the title-deeds of an estate called Troppinden, in Sussex, 

 preserved among the evidences of George B. Courthope 

 of VVhilegh, in'that count)', Esquire. 



have no evidence to show when Oliver St. John 

 removed from Winchelsea to Marlborough, but 

 we find his name as an inhabitant of the latter 

 town in an Armoury Book of the date of 1606, 

 preserved in the corporation chest, and the re- 

 gister of burials of the parish of St. Mary shows 

 that " Margaret, wife of Oliver St. John, gent, 

 (was) buried Sept. 19th, 1606." 



After the death of this wife he appears to have 

 remarried, for the register above quoted records 

 that " Mrs. St. John, wife of Mr. Oliver St. John 

 (was) buried April 3'\ 1603." 



We have no evidence to show the date when 

 he died, but the will of an Oliver St. John is re- 

 corded in the registers of the Prerogative Court 

 of Canterbury in the year 1639, although, un- 

 fortunately, as stated in a marginal note, neither 

 the original nor any copy can be found. No 

 trace of his burial is found in the Marlborough 

 registers. 



One discrepancy remains to be reconciled. 

 Both Edmondson and the Visitation Pedigree show 

 Oliver as the " son and heir " of Oliver St. John 

 by Margaret Love. This can only be reconciled 

 by supposing that Nicholas, who is proved by 

 Mr. Courthope's document to have been Oliver 

 St. John's eldest son, died between 1612, when he 

 released his Interest in Troppinden, and 1623, the 

 date of the heralds' visitation. 



I am afraid that this Note is rather long, but 

 shall be obliged if you will insert it, not only as 

 clearing up an obscure historical question upon 

 which both Lord Campbell and Mr. Foss arc in 

 error, but also as showing the usefulness of " N. 

 & Q." to persons engaged in historical research. 

 To its pages I am indebted for communications 

 from several highly esteemed correspondents, 

 which have afforded me most valuable inform- 

 ation. John Maclean. 



Hammersmith. 



»0pTteiS to Minat ^uttlt^. 



Seals of Officers who perished in Affghanistan 

 (2""* S. viii. 289.) — It will, we are sure, be very 

 gratifying to Mb. Batley, and we think very in- 

 teresting to our readers, to know that No. 1. of 

 the three seals forwarded by that gentleman from 

 Futteyghur, upon the supposition " that they had 

 once belonged to officers who fell in Affghanistan," 

 has been identified and restored to the family of 

 Lieut. F. H. Hawtrey, who fell in Affghanistan 

 in 1842. The seal which has now, after the lapse 

 of seventeen years, been restored in so singular 

 a manner, is the only relic of Lieut. Hawtrey 

 which his family have recovered ; and Mr. Bay- 

 ley may be assured how much it is prized by his 

 relatives, and how highly they appreciate the good 

 feeling which prompted him to send the seals to 

 Europe for identification. Ed, " N. & Q." 



