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NOTES AND QUERIES. 



[2nd s. No 40., Oct. 4, '56. 



the inscription says, " Thomce secundi Ducis Nor- 

 folcim filio T^v\mogen\to \ Thomce tertii palri" 



There is certainly a great ambiguity in this 

 mode of expression, which might puzzle or mis- 

 lead an ordinary reader, if he were not aware that 

 the words secundi and tertii must be construed 

 with the word Thomce, and do not belong to the 

 word Dticis ; as we should write Henry the Eighth 

 King of England, not meaning that he was the 

 eighth king of England, but that he was the eighth 

 person or prince of the name of Henry who was 

 King of England. 



My object is to inquire whether this method of 

 reckoning descents by the succession of Christian 

 names is usual and correct; and whether other 

 similar instances can be produced from the monu- 

 mental inscriptions of our nobility ? Sciolus. 



Heraldry of the Channel Islands. — Can any 

 of your Channel-Island or other correspondents 

 give any information respecting the heraldry of 

 those islands ? Are the arms borne by the various 

 families to be found in the Heralds' College, or 

 are they of Norman derivation, and registered in 

 France ? If the latter, from what office or source 

 are they to be sought ? And is there any trust- 

 worthy authority on this subject ? O. W. 



" Billy-Boy : " " Bavens" — What is the origin 

 of Billy-Boy, as applied to a sort of sailing barge 

 in the Thames ? Why are faggots in Kent and 

 Sussex termed Bavins ? Centurion. 



Athenajum Chib. 



Encaustic Tiles, how to copy them. — l lately 

 tried to copy some ancient encaustic tiles (red 

 and yellow) by filling in the red parts with Indian 

 red, and then washing all over with gamboge, but 

 I found the red very liable to run into the yellow. 

 Perhaps some one could inform me how to fix the 

 red, and oblige Wilfred. 



Royal Privileges at Universities. — Can persons 

 who can prove their descent from the Conqueror, 

 or any other King of England, claim to have a 

 degree conferred upon them, by either University, 

 without residing the ordinary time ? Are such 

 persons entitled to any, and what, privileges ? 



JOHNIAN. 



The late Madame Vestris. — Authorities differ 

 as to the parentage of this celebrated lady. Some 

 (as tlie Gentlemans Magazine, &c.) affirming her 

 to be the daughter, others (as Willis's Current 

 Notes, &c.) the granddaughter of Francesco Bar- 

 tolozzi, the well-known engraver. Dates favour 

 the latter supposition : misreprecentation, inten- 

 tional or otherwise, like that which has been 



prevalent as to the place and date of her birth, 

 may have led to the former. Perhaps the fact, 

 through the medium of " N. & Q.," can be satis- 

 factorily ascertained. William Bates. 

 Birmingham. 



[The late Madame Vestris was the granddaughter of the 

 celebrated engraver Francesco Bartolozzi. This state- 

 ment is corroborated by the announcement of her death 

 in The Times, as well as by the following notice of the 

 death of her father, who was also an engraver, in the 

 Gentleman's Magazine, Sept. 1821, p. 284.: "Aug. 25, 

 1821, aged 64, Mr. Bartolozzi, engraver, son of the late 

 eminent artist of that name, and father of Madame Ves- 

 tris of Drury Lane Theatre."] 



Acatry. — Is this term still in use ? I have 

 just met with it for the first time, " Clerk of the 

 Acatry to the Royal Household" (Jtemp. Charles II.), 

 and on turning to the Technological Dictionary I 

 find it written Acatery, and it is said to be " a sort 

 of check between the king's kitchen and the pur- 

 veyors." No derivation is given. Query, is it 

 from the French — Achat, Achaterie, Acatery, 

 Acatry ? John J. A. Boase. 



Alverton Vean. 



\_Acatery is obsolete; but in To^A^s Johnson we meet 

 with " Catery, the depository of victuals purchased." See 

 also Kelham, Norm. Diet., "Serjeaunt de I'acaterie, Ser- 

 jeant of the catery." In the Ordinances and Regulations, 

 &c. published bj' the Society of Antiquaries, Liher Niger 

 Edw. IV., acatry is the room or place allotted to the 

 keeping of all such provisions as the purveyors purchased 

 for the king; and achatour (p. 22.), the person who had 

 charge of the achatry. The office o( achator, or purveyor, 

 was common in religious establishments. Most lexico- 

 graphers derive the word from the Fr. acheter, to buy or 

 purchase, to purve}', to provide. Hence the modern word 

 caterer, Boucher saj's, " Acheter was formerly written 

 and pronounced achupter, and seems to have a connexion 

 not very remote with the common English words, chap, 

 chapmen, cheap, to cheapen, to chop, or exchange, &c."] 



Hertfordshire Kindness. — In the second Dia- 

 logue of his Polite Conversation, Swift uses the 

 phrase " Hertfordshire kindness," apparently in 

 the sense of a kindness which a person does to 

 himself. Is this a proverbial saying which occurs 

 elsewhere ? 



" Neverout. IMy Lord, this moment I did myself the 

 honour to drink to your lordship. 



" Lord Smart. Why then that's Hertfordshire kindness. 



" Neverout. Faith, my Lord, 1 pledged myself; for I 

 drank twice together without thinking." 



Li. 



[Fuller, in his Worthies, explains this proverb as a 

 mutual return of favours received. He says, " This is ge- 

 nerally taken in a good and grateful sense, for the mutual 

 return of favours received ; it being [belike] observed 

 that the people in this county at entertainments drink 

 back to them who drank to them, parallel to the Latin 

 proverbs, ' Fricantem refrica ; Manus manum lavat; Par 

 est de merente benfe, benfe mereri.' "] 



St. Frediswede. — Can any of your readers in- 

 form me of the history of this saint ? Her tomb, 



