July 14. 1855.] 



NOTES AND QUERIES. 



31 



There is deposited in the British Museum a 

 Tolume of Irish pedi<irees, placed, if I mistake not, 

 in the Harleian Collection, and marked No. 1425, 

 At p. 79. of this manuscript, I find the pedi£;ree of 

 these early branches of the Ormonde family thus 

 deduced. 



Theobaldua (Ie-Helj-c= Gilbert Beckett Poultgrave= 



1 of London. I 



"Walter FitK=Agnes. 

 Theobald. I 



Thomas Beckett Archb. 

 of Cauturburie. 



Hubbart=Th:s Mtiud married to her second husband Fulco Fitz 

 Water. I "Warren, vld. record Tur. Ixindon in a° nono Regis 

 Johannis. 



Theobald=M'aud, daughter to Kobte 

 "Walter, le "Vavasor, record Tur. 

 Knight. London, aP 1 Kegis Jo. 



Ilubbert, Archb. of Can- 

 tarburie, ob. 1203, borne 

 in "West Durhame in 

 Norfolke. 



It "will be perceived that there is but a triflintr 

 variance betv/een the charter (so far as it goes) 

 and the pedigree. In the first named Theobald 

 Walter gives the name of his father as Hervey, or 

 Herveius Walter; while in the pedigree, he is 

 called Hubbart Walter. The pedigree which is 

 given by Lodge appears also to have been com- 

 piled with care. The name of Theobald's father, 

 as it appears in his publication, is Herveius 

 Walter, who was married to Maud, the eldest 

 daughter of Theobald de Valoines ; and not to 

 De AValtines, as it is given in Tlieobald's Charter. 



Amongst the Cottonian MSS., Titus, B. xi. 

 p. 246., there is a transcript of a charter made by 

 John, Archbishop of Dublin, " Theobaldo Fitz- 

 Walteri pincerna domini comitis Moretonia3 in 

 Hibernia ;" and also another charter made to him 

 by the prior of Manath (?) ; and at p. 232., a grant 

 made to him by John, Earl of Moreton, of "totam 

 Almodernes" (?), in the time of Richard I. 



Some doubt appears to exist as to who was the 

 first Butler or pincerna for Ireland. Upon this 

 question I would wish to refer to the claim of 

 John Butler, Esq., of Kilkenny Castle, to the dig- 

 nities of Earl of Ormond, Earl of Ossory, and 

 Viscount Thurles, presented to the House of Lords 

 in Ireland in the year 1790; wherein Theobald 

 Butler, who was married to Margery, daughter of 

 Richard de Burgo, is called the third honorary 

 Butler. I would refer also to the letter of Walter, 

 Earl of Ormonde, written in the year 1619, 

 wherein he calls " Tibbott fithe (fitz) Walter the 

 first of his name that went for Ireland" (MS. 

 Brit. Mus., Julius, C. iii. p. 75. dorso) ; and to 

 Lodge, who states that the butlerage was con- 

 ferred upon the Theobald Walter in question 

 A.D. 1177. 



In reply to a Query which has appeared in 

 " N. & Q.," I beg leave to add, that it is stated in 

 the Book of Pedigrees in manuscript, to which I 

 have referred, that " Roesia, daughter to Nicholas 

 de Vardon," married Theobald AValter, the second 

 hereditary butler for Ireland ; and the authority 



No. 298.] 



which is given for this statement is Record. Tur. 

 Londin. in anno 8 Hen. III. James F, Ferguson. 

 Dublin. 



BOOKS BURNT. 



(Vol.xi., pp.161. 288.) 



In addition to the list of books enumerated by 

 Messrs. Cowi'er and Wood, the following par- 

 ticulars may be interesting. They refer to the 

 proceedings of the Irish Parliament respecting a 

 book published by the Irish Jacobites in 1715, 

 and are to be found in the journals of the Irish 

 House of Commons for that year. 



« March 24, 1715. 



" A motion being made that a book, intituled A Long 

 History of a Short Session of a certain Parliament in a 

 certain Kingdom, contains in it manj' reflections on the 

 proceedings of the late House of Commons of this kingdom, 

 and several paragraphs therein being read : 



"Resolved, Nemine contradicente, — That a book inti- 

 tuled A Long History of a Short Session of a certain Par- 

 liament in a certain Kingdom, is a false, scandalous, and 

 malicious libel, highly reflecting on the proceedings and 

 honour of the late House of Commons. 



" Ordered, — That Mr. Maynard, Colonel Barry, &c., 

 or any three of them, be appointed a committee to meet 

 in the Speaker's chamber to-morrow morning, at eight of 

 the clock, to inquire who was the author, printer, and 

 publisher of a book intituled A Long History of a Short 

 Sessioji of a certain Parliament in a certain Kingdom. 

 That they have power to send for persons, papers, and 

 records, and to adjourn from time to time, and place to 

 place, as they shall think lit, and report their proceedings 

 with their opinion therein to the house. 



" Resolved, — That an humble address be presented to 

 their excellencies the Lords Justices, that they will be 

 pleased to issue a proclamation for giving a reward to 

 any person who shall discover the author of the said 

 book. 



" Ordered, — That the said address be presented to 

 their excellencies by such members of this house as are 

 of his Majesty's most honourable Privy Council. 



" Ordered, — That the said book be burnt by the hands 

 of the common hangman upon the gate of this house, on 

 Saturday next, at twelve of the clock, and that the 

 Sheriffs of the City of Dublin be required to see the same 

 done accordingly." 



Thomas Gimlette, Clk. 



Waterford. 



THE red dragon. 



(Yol. xi., p. 445.) 



The following remarks of Garter Anstis upon 

 the origin and institution of the office of Rouge 

 Dragon Pursuivant may be interesting to your 

 Querist, inasmuch as they are accompanied by re- 

 ferences to proofs, and the evidence upon which 

 he founds his statements : 



Rouge Dragon, or the Red Dragon, instituted, 

 as Sir Henry Spelman ' saith, by Henry VII. in 



1 Spelm. Gloss, v. Herald : " Rouge dragon a rubro 



