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NOTES AND QUERIES. 



377 



in ancient or modern authors. I subjoin two of 

 the best known : — 



" Et tibi quse Samios diduxit litera ramos, 

 Surgentem dextro monstravit limite callem." 

 Persius, iii. 6C. 



(Pythagoras was a native of Samos.) 



" Pythagorse bivium ramis pateo ambigais Y." 



Ausonius, Idyll, xil. 



LiMUS LUTUM. 



Family of Hopton (2"^ S. iv. 269.)— If your 

 correspondent will refer to a communication of 

 mine in your P' S. iv. 97., he will find the names 

 of many existing families connected 720^ remotely 

 with the Lord Hopton. If my information be 

 correct, he himself died in 1653 without issue, 

 and his four sisters became co-heiresses of their 

 father. Rachel (the eldest) married, first, David 

 Kemeys ; and second, Thomas Morgan : Mary (the 

 second) married, first, Sir Henry Mackworth ; 

 and second, Sir Thomas Hartopp : Catharine (the 

 third) married John Windham, ancestor of the 

 Earls of Egremont ; and Margaret (the fourth), 

 Sir Baynham Throckmorton. C. W. Bingham. 



The Hoptons of Canon Frome, co. Hereford, 

 are lineal descendants of Lord Hopton the royalist 

 leader, and they still possess the manor house, 

 ■which stood a siege from the soldiers of the Par- 

 liament. C. C. B. 



Whipping of Women (!»' S. v. vl. passim.') — 

 When a boy, near forty years ago, I remember 

 seeing a woman publicly whipped to the beat of 

 drum in the royal borough of Inverness beyond 

 the bounds of the borough. She was a fine look- 

 ing lass, named Mary Morrison, not parsimonious of 

 her personal favours. I think the procession was 

 formed by the town officers and magistrates. I 

 well remember seeing her bare back receive the 

 lashes, and, to do the man credit, I believe he 

 laid them on gently. A. M. G. 



Spiders and Irish Oak : Chesnut Wood (2°*^ S. 

 iv. 208.298.)— I thought the chesnut wood theory 

 was by this time extinct, and the more probable 

 one of Sessiliflora oak now was generally admitted. 

 That " N. & Q." may not help to keep alive this 

 old fiction, let me ask whence and why did our 

 ancestors import chesnut wood when English oak 

 was to be had almost for the cutting ? I doubt 

 there being a single specimen of chesnut in any 

 old building whatsoever. Oak, I know, will 

 change its appearance much in several centuries, 

 but for a' that, and a' that, it is English oak for a' 

 that. A. Holt White. 



The cicerone who shows the cathedral church 

 at' Saint David's points out to the visitor that the 

 choir is roofed with Irish oak, which does not har- 

 bour spiders. It is certain that no cobwebs are 



to be seen in this roof, although they are plentiful 

 enough in other parts of the cathedral. 



JoHK Pavin Phillips. 



Omnibus when first used (1'* S.ii.215.;xi. 281.) — 

 Chambers's Journal^ No. 198, of October 17, 1857, 

 contains an excellent article on the subject, by 

 which it appears that this vehicle is not a discovery 

 of the 19th century, but that the same was in use 

 at Paris nearly two hundred years ago. 



EvERABB Home Coleman. 



Ancient Map of Ireland (2"'^ S. iv. 250.) — If 

 Y. S. M. consults any Gazetteer of Ireland, be 

 will find the map alluded to not so incorrect with 

 respect to the situation of Lough Derg. 



It is evident he has not observed the words 

 " Oriens," " Occidens," &c., on the sides, &c., of 

 the map, and has therefore viewed it in the ordi- 

 nary way, assuming that the printing running from 

 left to right indicated the west and the east, as it 

 usually does ; but in this case, as the printing 

 runs from soiiih to north, the old map is right both 

 as regards the situation of Lough Derg, and the 

 course of the Shannon, which in it flows towards 

 " Smerwick " or " Limerick," not towards "Down- 

 patrick." 



I should mention that there are two Loughs 

 Derg, one on the " Shannon," and the other in the 

 CO. Donegal, the latter famous for St. Patrick's 

 Purgatory. 



There is every appearance of truthfulness about 

 the story of the map. J. M. O. R. 



Dublin. 



J. S. M. may be assured that whatever the geo- 

 graphical details, the copper-plate from which the 

 map was printed is genuine. I knew its possessor, 

 the late Mr. John Corry, well ; he has frequently 

 shown me the plate and detailed the circumstances 

 of his obtaining it from a gatherer of old metal, &c. 

 at Armagh. Mr. C. died in great distress at Ar- 

 magh about two years since. The plate was then, 

 I believe, in the possession of Ward, the publisher 

 at Belfast. R. H. B. 



Bath. 



Payment of M.P.'s (2°^ S. iv. 275.) — Accord- 

 ing to Holloway's Topography of the Isle of 

 Wight, Brading in that island — 



" Is one of the few boroughs that remained unaffected by 

 the Reform Bill, from the circumstance that the privilege 

 once enjoyed of sending members to the legislature had 

 then long" ceased, in accordance with the prayer of a pe- 

 tition from the inhabitants still extant, wherein they ask 

 the House of Commons to relieve them from such service, 

 on account of their inability to support their members ; 

 four pence per diem being the sum apportioned to each 

 representative." 



T. North. 

 Leicester. 



Examination by Torture lawful (2°** S- iv. 129. 

 298.) — Whatever may be, or may have been, the 



