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NOTES AND QUERIES. 



[No. 202. 



Henry, their second son, died without issue, but is 

 mentioned in the articles of his brotlier's marriage. 

 Mary Clifford, married to Sir Philip Wentworth, Kt., 

 of whom descended the Lords Wentworth that are 

 jiow living, and the Earl of Strafford, and the Earl of 

 Cleveland." 



To which of the above statements must we give 

 ■credit? If Dugdale be right, there will appear a 

 startling discrepance in the ages of the two persons 

 who are presumed to have formed the alliance in 

 <|ue3tIon ; whereas if the filiation given in the 

 Pembroke MS. is relied upon, their ages will be 

 quite consistent, and all the other circumstances 

 perfectly in accordance. 



Roger, fifth Lord Clifford, was born and bap- 

 tized at Brougham on the 20th of July, 7 Edw. III., 

 1333 ; his eldest son Thomas, sixth lord, was born 

 circa 1363, being twenty-si.K years old at his 

 father's death, which happened on 13th July, 

 1389, in the fifty-sixth year of his age. Thomas 

 Lord Clifford died on 4th of October, 1392, 

 leaving his son and heir John (seventh Lord 

 Clifford) an infant of about three years old. 

 This lord raai-ried the Lady Elizabeth de Percy 

 circa 1413, and his eldest son was born on 20th of 

 August, 1414: he died on 13th March, 1422. 



The wife of Sir Philip Wentworth, were she a 

 daughter of Roger, fifth Lord Clifford, must have 

 been born between 1363 and 1389 ; if a daughter 

 of John, seventh Lord Clifford, she must have 

 been born between 1414 and 1422. 



In my former note, it was shown that the father 

 and mother of Sir Philip Wentworth were married 

 before June, 1423 ; that Sir Philip was born circa 

 1424, and married in 1447; and that his eldest 

 son, Henry Wentworth, being thirty years of age 

 at his grandmother's death in 1478, must have 

 been born circa 1448. It is therefore clear, that 

 if his wife, Mary de Clifford, were a daughter of 

 the fifth Lord Clifford, she could not have been 

 less than thirty-five years older than her husband, 

 and sixty years old when her eldest son was born. 

 On the other supposition, she may have been 

 about the same age with her husband, or perhaps 

 two or three years only his senior. 



Can there then be any longer a doubt that this 

 is a mistake of Dugdale ? The other eminent 

 genealogists, cited by your correspondent, have 

 adopted the statement without farther Investiga- 

 tion and upon no better authority, and the error 

 has thus become familiarised by constant repeti- 

 tion. Had the misrepresentation been set right 

 in the first Instance, your readers would have 

 been spared the infliction of this lengthy confu- 

 tation ; Miss Strickland herself protected from 

 the humiliation of a defeat, " in daring to dispute 

 a pedigree with King Henry VIII. ;" and some of 

 the numei'ous living descendants of the Protector 

 Somei'set been saved from much concern at find- 

 ing a pedigree demolished, through which they 



had been wont to cherish the harmless vanity of 

 being allied to the honour of a royal lineage. 



W. H. 



PHOTOGRAPHIC COREESPONDENCE. 



Three New Processes hy Mr. Lyte. — Will you 

 kindly allow me room in your pages for the In- 

 sertion of tlie following thi'ee processes, which may 

 not, perhaps, be uninteresting to some of your 

 readers ? The first Is respecting a very excellent 

 com'oination with which to excite collodion. The 

 second Is on the subject of a capital developing 

 agent, and, I believe, a partially new one. The 

 third, a certain improvement in the production of 

 positives on albumen paper. 



To make my collodion, I use the Swedish fil- 

 tering paper, as recommended by the Count de 

 Montizon, Mr. Crookes, &c., not so much on ac- 

 count of its superior properties, as the easier ma- 

 nipulation, and the greater certainty of obtaining 

 a completely soluble substance. Having obtained 

 a clear and tolerably thick collodion, take 



Rectified spirits of wine - . - 1 oz. 



Iodide of ammonium - - - 45 grs. 



Bromide of ammonium - - - 12 grs. 



Chloride of ammonium - - - 1 gr. 



Iodide of silver, freshly precipitated from the ana- 

 moniated nitrate, as much as the solution thus 

 produced will take up — a small excess, which will 

 settle at the bottom, will not signify. Neai'ly the 

 same compound, one which Is equally good, Is 

 produced as follows. Take 



Rectified spirits of wine - - - 1 oz. 



Iodide of ammonium - - - 50 grs. 



Bromide of ammonium - - - 12 grs. 



Chloride of silver - - - - 5 grs. 



Whichever of these two sensitizers is used, take 

 1 h drachms, and add to every ounce of the collo- 

 dion. 



Collodion thus prepared is most rapid in its 

 action, giving a deep negative (with Ross's sixteen 

 guinea lens, and the developing agent I shall here- 

 after describe) In ten seconds in clear weather, 

 and Instantaneous positive pictures, which may be 

 afterwards darkened with the solution of ter- 

 chlorlde of gold. In chloride of ammonium. It 

 does not easily solarize, and, what Is best of all, 

 gives the most pleasing half-tones. 



I find it preferable, in taking landscapes, to 

 rather increase the quantity of the iodide of am- 

 monium. In order to give complete opacity to the 

 sky ; but if the operator pleases, he may produce 

 the most admirable effect with the above-named, 

 proportions, by painting in clouds at the back of 

 the plate with Indian ink : and this latter plan is 

 preferable, as the addition of more of the iodide 

 lowers the half-tones. 



