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NOTES AND QUERIES. 



[No. 223. 



Cf. Bishop Taylor's Life of Christ, part i. 

 sect. v. 9. Jarltzberg. 



Nov. 28, 1853. 



P.S. — Not having the fear of Sir Roger Twisden 

 or Mr. Thomas Collis before my eyes, I ad- 

 visedly made what the latter gentleman is pleased 

 to term a "loose statement" (Vol. viii., p. 631.), 

 when I spoke of the Church of England separating 

 from Rome. As to the Romanists " conforming " 

 for the first twelve (or as some have it nineteen) 

 years of Elizabeth's reign, the less said about that 

 the better for both parties, and especially for the 

 dominant party.* 



Mr. Collis's dogmatic assertions, that the Ro- 

 man Catholics " conformed " for the twelve years, 

 and that Popes Paul IV. and Pius IV. offered to 

 confirm the Book of Common Prayer if ^Elizabeth 

 would acknowledge the papal supremacy, are evi- 

 dently borrowed, word for word, from Dr. Words- 

 worth'sf Theophilus Anglicanus, cap. vii. p. 219. A 

 careful examination of the evidence adduced in 

 support of the latter assertion, shows it to be of 

 the most flimsy description, and refers it to its 



* See the authorities given by Mr. Palmer, Church 

 of Christ, 3rd ed., Lond. 1842, pp. 347 — 349. ; and 

 Mr. Percival On the Roman Schism : see also Tierney's 

 Dodd, vols. ii. and iii. 



A full and impartial history of the " conformity " of 

 Roman Catholics and Puritans during the penal laws 

 is much wanting, especially of the former during the 

 first twelve years of Elizabeth. With the Editor's per- 

 mission I shall probably send in a few notes on the 

 latter subject, with a list of the works for and against 

 outward conformity, which was published during that 

 period. (See Bp. Earle's character of " A Church 

 Papist," Microcosmography, Bliss's edition, p. 29.) 



f It is painful to see party spirit lead aside so 

 learned and estimable a man as Dr. Wordsworth, and 

 induce him to convert a ridiculous report into a grave 

 and indisputable matter of fact. The more we know, 

 the greater is our reverence for accuracy, truthfulness, 

 and candour ; and the older we grow in years and 

 wisdom, the more we estimate that glorious motto — 

 Audi alteram partem. 



What are our ordinary histories of the Reformation 

 from Burnet to Cobbett but so many caricatures? 

 Would that there were more Maitlands in the English 

 Church, and more Pascals and Pugins in the Roman ! 



Let me take this occasion to recommend to the 

 particular attention of all candid inquirers a little 

 brochure, by the noble-minded writer last named, en- 

 titled An Earnest Address on the Establishment of the 

 Hierarchy, by A. Welby Pugin : Lond. Dolman, 1851. 

 And let me here inquire whether this lamented writer 

 completed his New View of an Old Sicbject ; or, the 

 English Schism impartially Considered, which he adver- 

 tised as in preparation ? 



I should mention, perhaps, that Sir Roger Twisden's 

 book was reprinted in 1847 : I have, however, met 

 with the original edition only. 



true basis, viz. hearsay : the reasoning and infer- 

 ences which prop the evidence are equally flimsy. 



Fuller, speaking of this report, says that it 

 originated with " some who love to feign what 

 they cannot find, that they may never appear to 

 be at a loss." (Ch. Hist., b. ix. 69.) 



As the question at issue is one of great his- 

 torical importance, I am prepared, if called on, to 

 give a summary of the case in all its bearings ; 

 for the present I content myself with giving the 

 following references : 



" Sir Roger Twisden's Historical Vindication of the 

 Church of England in point of Schism, as it stands 

 separated from the Roman. Lond. 1675." — P. 175. 



" Bp. Andrewes' Tortura Torti. Lond. 1609." — 

 P. 142. 



" Parallel Torti et Tortoris."— P. 241. 



" Abp. Bramhall ag. Bp. Chal." — Ch. ii. (vol. ii. 

 p. 85., Oxf.ed.) 



" Sir E. Cook's Speech and Charge at Norwich 

 Assizes. 1607." 



" Babington upon Numbers. Lond. 1615." — Ch. vii. 

 § 2. p. 35. 



" Servi Fidelis subdito infideli Responsis, apud 

 Johannem Dayum. Lond. 1573." (In reply to 

 Saunders' De Visibili Monarchia. ) 



"Camd. Annal. an. 1560. Lond. 1639."— Pt. i. 

 pp. 47. 49. 



(See also Heylin, 303.; Burnet, ii. 387.; 

 Strype, Annal. ch. xix. ; Tierney's Dodd, ii. 147.) 



The letter which the pontiff did address to 

 Elizabeth is given in Fuller, ix. 68., and Dodd, 

 ii. app. xlvii. p. cccxxi. 



N. B.— In the P. S. to my last note, " N. & Q.," 

 Vol. viii., p. 156., was a misprint for Vol. v. 



DUTCH EAST INDIA COMPANY. SLAVERY IN 



ENGLAND. 



Having come across an old Daily Post of Thurs- 

 day, August 4, 1720, I send you the following 

 cuttings from it, which perhaps you may think 

 worth insertion : 



" Hague, August 9. 



"It was on the 5th that the first of our East-India 

 ships appear'd off of the Texel, four of the ships came 

 to an anchor that evening, nine others kept out at sea 

 till day-light, and came up with the flood the next 

 morning, and four more came in this afternoon ; but 

 as they belong to the Chambers of Zealand, and other 

 towns, its thought they will stand away for the Maese. 

 This fleet is very rich, and including the single ship 

 which arriv'd about a fortnight since, and one still ex- 

 pected, are valued at near seven millions of guilders 

 prime cost in the Indies, not reckoning the freight or 

 value at the sale, which may be suppos'd to make 

 treble that sum." 



" We have an account from Flanders, that two ships 

 more are come in to Ostend for the new East India 



