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ROGER TOLLEFSON 

 think that the legal issues are insurmountable in defining 

 the beds and determining who has to remove it. We are 

 engaged in that process all the time. 



So this is not the question. The ques- 

 tion is how do you feel about it? 



MR. TOLLEFSON: Well, let me go back to the 

 first question I raised, the technology of it, and let me 

 use the Rayonier area as an illustration here. 



There are some sludge beds in the imme- 

 diate area of the Rayonier operation that have been 

 studied not only by Rayonier but by the Federal people 

 and the State people, and I believe all three organizations 

 are in very close agreement as to the nature of them. 

 The extent is reasonably delineated. The depths vary 

 from a very small fraction of an inch to, well, shading 

 into zero up to, oh, a matter of several feet. How can 

 it be done, considering the looseness, the nature, physical 

 nature of the material? Obviously there will have to be 

 suction dredging. With present equipment, clam shell or 

 any other such would be completely out of the question. 



Bearing in mind that we know now that the 

 effects, whatever they may be, of sludge beds are directly 

 related to the surface area of these beds, how would you 



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