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ROGER TOLLEFSON 

 MR. TOLLEFSON: I cannot see how this 

 could be accomplished either technologically or perhaps, 

 I suppose to use an expression, legally in terms of what 

 constitutes a sludge bed, this sort of thing. For the 

 moment let's leave that one to you and your people. 



CHAIRMAN STEIN: Leave the legally out of 

 it, Roger. We are doing that all over the country. 



The question here, and I think from a legal 

 point of view — this may be for the industry, and I am not 

 making a judgment whether this is desirable or necessary 

 in any case, because we have this problem all CT/er--but 

 I think the essence of the problem is this. First we 



have to get some experts in if we are decided that the 

 sludge beds have to be removed. In some of the cases 

 they decide you don't, some they do. You have to measure 

 the extent, the depth and the volume of these matters. 

 Then we decide whose responsibility it is to remove the 

 beds. Sometimes it is an industry or a private party, 

 sometimes it is a public body, generally a county, but 

 sometimes a city, and sometimes it is the Federal Govern- 

 ment. And then we can move ahead. 



But if we come to the conclusion, that is 

 the State agency and ourselves, that the sludge beds are 

 deleterious to water quality or a water use, I don't 



