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ROGER TOLLEFSON 

 without having the immediate redeposition from material 

 you did not quite pick up, to the point that I wonder 

 if you wouldn't still have the same area? 



CHAIRMAN STEIN: This is the question. 

 I sympathize with you, you know. 



And let me make it clear to the people 

 here, when we are dealing with scientific facts, these 

 facts are the same whoever does it, whether the oystermen, 

 the State people, the City or the State or the industry. 

 And Mr. Tollefson has been in this business a long time. 



We do have improved methods of dredging. 

 I don't want to presume to give an answer now. The Corps 

 of Engineers and others are working on these improved 

 methods. 



I think, though, the question we have to 

 get to first, whether the whole thing is worth the powder 

 to blow it up. The question here is, and I think the 

 judgment, as I understand it, or the recommendation, and 

 this is joined in by both the Federal investigators and 

 the State investigators, is this existing sludge material 

 should be removed because its presence is deleterious to 

 the biota in the area. Now, if this is so, then maybe a 

 man like me gets the next star job of trying to enlist 

 the Corps of Engineers or some consulting engineers and 



