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:S . DONNELLAK: Or. page 11 in the lES -- 10 and 11 -- 

 are references to tne various conventions tnat do relate to 

 cne Soutnern Ocean area or could. vjould it be possiDle — 

 if I asK a foolisn question — somehow to include in tne 

 regime tne means of urging ratification of particularly 

 the pollution foolish type of conventions oy signatories to 

 the conservation regime — somehow put into it some kind of 

 wording that would put a bit of obligation on the part of 

 the signatory states? Tnese conventions are not ratified, 

 they are not in farce, and with increased activity in the 

 area it might be important. 



THE CHAIRMAN: Yes. 



MR. SCULLY: I think in a hortatory sense, yes. You're 

 not going to write a Convention that's going to have the 

 affect, by its ratification, of bringing in force other 

 conventions, but I think that certainly there will be pre- 

 ambular language which would be appropriate for references 

 to other international agreements, the desirability of their 

 coming into force. In this area, however, we may not be in 

 a position to cast too many stones. (Laughter) 



THE CHAIRMAN: We're not in the best shape that we 

 could be on these agreements outselves. 



Other comments: Yes. 



MR. HOFFMANN: Maybe in closing -- I realize you might 

 not want to answer this directly on the public record, but 

 could you respond to Mr. Robinson's observation that you 

 might make the negotiation process difficult by the openness 

 of the EIS processes — what effect it might have on the 

 negotiations, for example, in other countries that might lay 

 their hands on the draft EIS? 



THE CHAIRMAN: I think it would be a help to the United 

 States in the negotiations for others to see that the issues 

 with which we're dealing have been widely discussed and 

 that we have testified before the Congress on them. Indeed, 

 I have already made the point in a diplomatic exchange that 

 a particular U.S. view has in fact been publicly endorsed 

 by the United States Executive Branch. I view this public 

 meeting in the same way — that the attention that's given to 

 the Antarctic Treaty and Antarctic issues is good. So I don't 

 feel it will be a problem in the negotiations. 



MR. BARNES: Mr. Ambassador, I'm Chaplin Barnes of the 

 National Audubon Society. I find myself in agreement with 

 most of what's been said this afternoon; but I just wonder, as 

 a final point: We spent a lot of time discussing the potential 



