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l".K. 



ROBINSON 



Well, I appreciate your dilemma. 

 Oddly enouqn, it's a result almost of your virtue (laughter) 

 — tnat is, in clueing in the rest of tne world on tne fact 

 tnat the State Department is moving towards a regime. 

 You're naving to meet with us prior to naving definitive 

 plans of all different sorts made up — especially since the 

 regime that you're heading towards is itself the first step 

 on the road. 



There's a further lack of specificity of what it is 

 that you're proposing. 



I think that the concern of 

 these environmental groups is two 

 are vague and we really don't kno 

 out of Canberra. Secondly, we do 

 Barbara Mitchell, I suppose, voic 

 it will be too diplomatic. That 

 how you get places; but if this s 

 — that is, if this is the only o 

 harvesting nations — that is wha 

 And if it's a long way down the r 

 mentioned, great harm could be do 

 capitalization could result; and 

 inexorable pressure on whatever k 

 you have to give in. That is, if 

 for 50 million tons of krill a ye 

 bad for the whales and bad for th 

 and the capacity will create the 

 concern is that at Canberra — wh 

 it could be a large step — that 

 the signatory parties that we are 

 kind of pressure to build up over 



the Center and many of 

 fold. First of all, things 

 w what it is that will come 



have a fear — which 

 ed most explicitly — that 

 is, one step at a time is 

 tep becomes the only step 

 bligation imposed upon 

 t comes out of Canberra, 

 oad , as Ms. Scharlin 

 ne but also great over- 

 that would impost almost 

 ind of plenipotentiary body 



there's a capacity to fish 

 ar , in the year 2000 it' s 

 e penguins, and so forth, 

 obligation. And our 

 ich is the first step; 

 it be really clear to all 

 n't going to allow that 



time . 



I think that Machiavelli was kind or right. People 

 do deal from self-interest. And it may appear right now to 

 nations that are harvesting that no interest of theirs is 

 served by restraint. 



But I should think that one thing that our delegation 

 could do, because we aren't harvesting, is to point out to 

 folks who are that there is an audience — there are a hun- 

 dred and twenty-five nations looking on with more or less 

 interest right now — in that protein source. And if the 

 people who can afford to and who are interested in harvesting 

 there and for the rest of the century don't manage the re- 

 source conscientiously — net to mention equitably — in the 

 long run they'll be losers. My fear is that it will be too 

 diplomatic and too vague, demand too little and get even less 



