B-20 



It's the sanne Kind of situation wnere we weren't too 

 concerned 10 o 15 years ago aoout developing countries being 

 oarty to tne Non-Prol if er ation Treaty — although we wel- 

 comed their signing the Treaty. And now wnat's happened is 

 that we've run into tremendous nuclear-safeguards proDlems 

 in those countires that import nuclear fuels and aren't a 

 part to the Treaty so we can't implement safeguards. 



And I really do think that that kind of hypothetical 

 might be, I suppose — well, I don't think it's far- 

 fetched and won't say it is. It could happen. So I 

 think these things have to be thought about now. 



Second, I think — let me just restate the obvious, 

 which is that the U.S. does have a commercial interest 

 now so it is in a position to do something. 



And, third, I want to answer one other of Mr. Scully's 

 points, which was that we might look like we were giving 

 away other people's resouces. I agree with that. I think 

 that's a valid point. And I think what we have to do is 

 preempt that issue by making it clear that that wouldn't 

 be what we were talking about, that the Antarctic — the 

 other Treaty powers — would not feel threatened by the 

 U.S. articulating some policy on this issue because it 

 would be clear that we weren't talking about the great 

 giveaway but maybe talking about international develop- 

 ment assistance, to help develop through the World Bank 

 or some form like that — helping developing countries 

 establish long-range fishing fleets. 



And if you don't build that in now, as I said with 

 my Brazil hypothetical, if and when they develop a fleet 

 it would be very hard to get them into the Treaty because 

 the so-called environment/development tradeoffs are always 

 tough for developing countries. And if in 10 years the 

 developing country develops a fishing capacity and isn't 

 in the Convention, it's going to be pretty tough going to 

 get them in then. 



THE CHAIRMAN: It's going to be tough going to get 

 them in now if we write into the proposed Convention things 

 which they're unable to agree with: don't forget that the 

 potential signatories to the Convention are not totally 

 without other resources. 



MR. HOFFMANN: I'm afraid I don't understand your 

 point . 



