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MR. GOTTSCHALK: So in effect, you would set forth a 

 series of management principles without being specific as 

 to how they' might be employed? 



MR. SCULLY: I hope so. 



MR. GOTTSCHALK: For example, you need to have some pop- 

 ulation estimates , and estimates of the impact of a parti- 

 cular rate of exploitation — and a lot of other things of 

 that nature. 



Hopefully, if those could be set forth well enough so that 

 we get some handle on how effective they might be. 



MR. SCULLY: Well on that point, if I might continue a bit 



— It's hard to say how far one can go in discussing population 

 dynamics and stock assessments or whatever because we are still 

 dealing in an area where we don't have the kind of data base 

 and establishing the means for not only assessing and assimi- 

 lating basic scientific data, which may already be available 



— but also for providing a means for incorporating and assessing 

 catch data or other kinds of statistics and providing an effec- 

 tive mechanism which would provide a digestible data base upon 

 which to base the necessary conservation measures. 



I am not sure how far one can go in that sort of thing, 

 in advance — 



MR. GOTTSCHALK: You certainly can't fill in the specific 

 figures, but there might be a general outline of the approach. 



MR. STORER: Well the principles you would use and what 

 you would need in order to determine the management measures 

 -so you wouldn't include in the EIS the actual data — 



MR. GOTTSCHALK: No. But you would expect that the kinds 

 of influences — the approaches you would use to establishing 

 measures, would be excelled. 



But again, there is a wide array. 



MR. SULLIVAN: Mr. Ambassador, my name is Carl Sullivan 

 and I represent the American Fisheries Society and I would 

 like to read a statement into the record if I might. 



I do have it in letter form and will give the reporter 

 a copy. 



