B-24 



MR. JAMES BARNES: Is that tons a year? 



(Confirmed , yes . ) 



MR. SCULLY: I think I have seen the figure of a maximum 

 in any of the years -- and these are fairly rough estimates 

 based on FAO data — of a maximum in any given year in the 

 vicinity of 20,000 total. 



CHAIRMAN BREWSTER: I think we have to add the caveat 

 that we are not certain that these are precise. These are 

 estimates, aren't they? 



MR. STORER: Right. 



MR. JAMES BARNES: Could I return for just a minute to the 

 claims point? 



Is it conceivable, or is this a problem that we have to 

 be aware of — that if we established a regime that had what 

 I would call "effective, sound conservation management prin- 

 ciples and enforcement mechanisms" that some of the nations 

 who are most aggressive in pursuing their territorial claims 

 would at that point, insist on a recompense of some sort, or 

 recognition of their claims to be effected by this regulation? 

 I mean, is there any kind of a linkage there at all? 



Or is it your understanding and feeling that these nations 

 are going to agree to agree to adhere to a living resources 

 regime without regard to their territorial claims — and we 

 can just sort of leave them separate and aside? 



CHAIRMAN BREWSTER: Subject to what you two gentlemen 

 have to say, it is not my feeling that we know the answer to 

 that yet. 



The first idea that you mentioned has at least been sur- 

 faced informally in the discussions. But for myself, I don't 

 think I know which way I think that one is going. 



Do you or Jim have a feeling? 



MR. SCULLY: I think one can only look at and assess 

 some of the forces that are operating upon the nations in- 

 volved; and though it's probably difficult and a little bit 

 presumptuous to try to put oneself in the place of, say, a 

 nation which is strongly attached to its territorial claims. 



