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THE CHAIRMAN: I wouldn't write the negotiation off 

 before it's oegun. 



NR. ROBINSON: No, no. 



MR. KAUFMANN: I totally support the comments tnat John 

 just made. I've been intimately associated with the inter- 

 national problem of tuna conditions for three years in the 

 U.S. delegation, and there we see the same thing that we're 

 concerned may very well happen unless we can build the 

 specificity and control that we need in the Antarctic. 



Each year additional ships come into the international 

 fleet to fish for tuna. Each year special allocations, 

 special quotas are given to nations that increase their ton- 

 nage of fishing. Each year, empirically, the Commission 

 staff of the lATTC says, "Let's try a greater tonnage than 

 last year and see how it works." This is the way they 

 scientifically manage the stock. 



Now, I think we m.ust come to grips in developing our 

 U.S. position with the problem of limited entry into the 

 fishery. 



It's my understanding, although I'm not an expert in 

 this matter, that there isn't any successful example in in- 

 ternational fishery of limited entry. But I think we've 

 got to address this problem and put a great deal of effort 

 in developing a U.S. position that will set a ceiling on 

 annual harvest and on the capacity of the harvesters in 

 terms of the vehicles they use to achieve the harvest. 



So I strongly support John's position. We have ex- 

 actly the same experience with the International Whaling 

 Commission. As some people in the room know who have been 

 a party to the delegation and observers to the IWC, for 

 years it was not a conservation regime; it was a club of 

 whalers. And the problem was management — "How do you 

 slice up the pie, boys?" — not "How do you control the 

 take properly?" so that the species would go on and not be 

 threatened . 



So we're at the stage now where I think we must come 

 to grips with this problem and try to come up with the 

 answers . 



MR. HOFFMANN: My name is Thomas Hoffmann. I'm also 

 from the International Institute for Environment and Develop- 

 ment. And I would like to return to one of the issues that 

 was first raised by John Robinson in his statement and re- 



