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Mr. Handler. The recommendations I made at that point are 

 still relevant. 



Finally, I'd like to echo some of the comments earlier that we 

 need another hearing soon and action soon, if you will. Missing 

 from the lineup today, despite the excellent forum we have here, 

 is unfortunately the U.S. Navy and the Department of Energy, two 

 of the people that are most cognizant about problems on Russian 

 or Soviet nuclear-powered submarines. In addition, it would be 

 very handy to have a panel of nuclear engineers. I know some per- 

 sonally in Washington, D.C. that are basically frothing at the 

 mouth to try to do something to help out with the Russian problem, 

 and they've been very frustrated how slowly the administration is 

 moving to spend some of the money that's been allocated for this. 



And finally, I say I must disagree with some of the comments 

 that Director Gates made at lunch. And to follow up actually on 

 your question earlier today to Director Gates, Senator Murkowski, 

 about the need for quid pro quos, in terms of you need to give a 

 little to get a little from the Russians when it comes to information 

 about past nuclear activities. My experience, talking with these 

 senior admirals, senior captains in the Pacific fleet, the Northern 

 fleet and Moscow, is that there comes a point where they just get 

 very upset, but you just keep asking all these questions and the/re 

 aslang, what is this for, what are we going to get in return. We're 

 not guaranteed help; we're not guaranteed assistance; we're not 

 guaranteed further information. And basically their question is to 

 me, when are you going to tell us about what you've been doing or 

 when are you going to even tell us about what you know about 

 what we're doing. So I would actually put that as a very high prior- 

 ity, that we have to tell we know about our past activities, whether 

 this is in a technical conference, whatever the case may be, and it'd 

 be also if people such as the Director of the CIA was a little bit 

 more open about what we know about past Russian activities. 



So finally, I'd like to conclude that I'm looking forward to some 

 movement taking place in this issue after having these reports ba- 

 sically in the public domain over the last few years about the 

 dumping of radioactive materials at sea, and I'm looking forward 

 to ftirther hearings on this matter as well. 



Senator Murkowski. Thank you. I might add for the record, the 

 Department of Energy has submitted written testimony. I want to 

 thank the panel. I think that you've heard an alarm raised, justifi- 

 ably, relative to information that's been documented and the need 

 for action to be initiated. And thanks very much for your input and 

 your patience. And I know you've sat through a good portion of the 

 day. The only people who have sat a little longer are the next 

 panel. Thank you. 



I'd C£dl the next panel and the last panel prior to our wind-up. 

 And I believe we have two or three pending. Mr. Tom Albert, North 

 Slope Borough, he's with the Wildlife Management. Frank Charles, 

 Natural Resource Director for the Association of Village Council 

 Presidents. And I'm not sure whether the person from the North- 

 west Arctic Borough is with us, but if not, we'll proceed and just 

 keep plugging along here. 



Gentleman, it's 4:00 o'clock and we're moving right along here. 

 So we will continue with that note of optimism and proceed to look 



