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that birds are valuable— they are a gi-eat help iu fighting the insects in 

 the orchards— and 1 want to know if there is any danger of killing the 

 birds by spraying for the cankerworm. The birds are likely to pick up 

 the worms after they have eaten the poison. Are they likely in this way 

 to get enough to kill themselves? 



Proof. Troop: The birds have a way of discriminating. They will 

 not eat a poisoned worm if they know it, and they generally know it. 



Mr. Chas. R. Swaim: Some one has said that they are afraid they will 

 kill their neighbors' bees. I would like to kill their bees. They are only 

 worth ten or twelve dollars, and if they are let alone they will destroy 

 hundreds of dollars' worth of fruit. They destroy the grapes and the 

 Yellow Transparent apples. They can not get ripe on account of the 

 bees. I have had my neighbors tell me that they wished I would not 

 spray when their bees were coming over there. I always void them that 

 they would have to keep their bees at home if they didn't want them to 

 get killed, for when I got ready to spray I am going to spray, and I think 

 we should all do that way. If you don't want your bees killed, keep 

 them at home. I never heard of any bees being killed by spi-aying, 

 anyhow. When I think the conditions are suitable to spray, I spray. 



I have been in the chicken business for about twenty-five years, and 

 if I wanted to kill my young trees I would put the chickens into the 

 orchard. They will fix the trees if you don't cultivate the ground. They 

 will pack it so that in a little while the trees will die. I have tried 

 this to my sorrow. 



Mr. Garretson: I have cankerworms and I used about one-fourth of a 

 pound of Pai'is green to forty gallons of water, but it didn't seem to be 

 sufficient, so I added one-half pound to fifty gallons of water, which was 

 successful. Of course, when I make it stronger with Paris green I add 

 more lime. 



Walter Smith: In regard to the killing of the bees I am sorry to see 

 the bees killed, and if you kill the bees you will not have apples, because 

 they distribute the pollen. They are very important factors in the 

 orchard, and in the strawberry patch and all kinds of fruit. 



Prof. Troop: I want to ask Mr. Swaim what objection he has to bees, 

 and why he likes to kill them? 



Mr. Swaim: My theory is that you do not kill them when you spray. 

 I never saw a dead bee after I sprayed. 



Prof. Troop: That is not the question. What objection do you have 

 to bees in the orchard? 



Mr. Swaim: What objection do I have to bees? Why, none at all. 



