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Prof. Latta: That applies to the question of potash, but not to phos- 

 phoric acid. 



Mr. DeVilbiss: The clover will grow now where it hasn't grown for 

 years. 



Mr. iH'lick: How about the apples V 



Mr. DeVilbiss: Come to the fair. The immediate results are a 

 healthy condition of the soil, the growth of clover. This is about all 

 we can do with old orchards. I have been doing this and I find it is 

 ne plus ultra. Do you thinlc if I continue this I will get too much nitro- 

 gen in the ground? 



Mr. A'an Deman: There is a chance of that. In Idaho ana on the 

 Pacific Coast they will not use alfalfa in the orchards there, and arc 

 condemning its use. 



Mrs. DeVilbiss: Will thej^ leave it on the ground or take it off? 



Mr. Van Deman: They will not sow it tliere at all. They do not 

 even have it there. They plowed it up and destroyed it. I Avould rather 

 work with something else than alfalfa. There may be cases in which it 

 will work all right, but as a rule I like something that is more temporary 

 in character. It would grow for twenty five years and the roots will 

 grow so big you can not cut them with an ordinary plow, and they are 

 so mean to cut that I want to take a visit when the alfalfa is to be 

 cut, and want a hired man that will not swear. 



Prof. Latta: Mr. Flick, tell us how long you have been getting apples 

 from these orchards— the reasons and the results. In other words show 

 us your belief in the use of phosphoric acid. Have you followed this 

 method or another method? 



Mr. Flick: My orchard is noAV about thirty years old. It has been 

 bearing a number of years. I have several varieties of trees. I have been 

 trying experiments on my orchard. I try clean cultivation, and in this 

 part I plant my garden. Another plot is for partial cultivation. Here 

 I cultivate between the trees as far as I can without injuring them. 

 The other plot I do not cultivate at all but allow it to grow up in grass 

 and weeds. I make a pig pastiu'e of this latter some part of the year. 

 Now my apples are usually nice ones. I had a bitter fight with insects, 

 but I find my fruit is growing better from year to year. At first my trees 

 were not growing properly. I got all the manure I could get in the neigh- 

 borhood and put it on. And I Avas like my friend, Mr. DeVilbiss. I had 

 occasion to get some ashes for the hauling of them, and I hauled about 

 four tons to the acre and spread it under the trees, all alike in each of 

 the plots, and I found this very effective. The next year the trees were 



