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really throw ourselves full of enthusiasm into the business of making 

 Michigan apples lead the world. 



DISCUSSION. 



President Farrand — I think we can all, as members of this society, 

 feel gratified in hearing this paper of Mr, Waller's. And there may be 

 others here who could give us some interesting facts and I think it would 

 be well to carry this one topic a little further, in order that others may 

 give us their impressions, their visit to other states. Mr. Rose, what 

 do you say? 



Mr. Rose — My impression is that we are as well located as anybody. 

 I have never been in Virginia and the northwest, but I have seen these 

 apples growing in the middle west, and I know they are very nice, but 

 they do not have the quality that our apples have. The trade is, I think, 

 quite well satisfied — the thing for us to do is to work up to the point 

 where everything is put up as it should be, and then we can talk, and 

 our talk will amount to something. Then I do not think the western 

 fellows will have such a good time as they have had in the past. I think 

 the observations in the paper read are well taken, and what is said in 

 reference to growing apples in Illinois, and the reason assigned is doubt- 

 less the correct reason. I have noted that that the Indiana, southern 

 Ohio and West Virginia orchards are coming to the front, and will ere 

 long be competitors of ours. They have the right soil and ideal loca- 

 tions. I know that Mr. Joe Burton has made as great a success 

 as any man in Michigan, and the chief secret of this is the fact that his 

 soil is especially adapted to raising apples. 



I went down to the Indiana exhibit at Indianapolis and in some re- 

 spects they had us beat. Their Grimes Golden and Northern Spies were 

 so fine that I did not know what they were, and for this I was laughed 

 at. I tliink they have a great future before them. 



A question was asked about Rome Beauties. No one seemed to know 

 much about them. My brother sent me some grafts from southern Illi- 

 nois, and I grafted on Russets. They grow larger here than anywhere 

 else, but they lack color. In the south it gets a better color and is re- 

 garded as a very nice apple indeed. 



President Farrand — What is your impression after visiting Virginia 

 territory, and possibly Oregon territory — what will be the effect of plant- 

 ing so many apple orchards as 3^011 saw on the future of the business? 



Mr. Waller — Mr. E. L. Smith recently stated in an excellent paper 

 that he fears very much that the ordinary apples are being over-crowded 

 in the west; the apples of the higher type, like the Spitzenburgs and 

 NeAvtown will continue to command good prices. Virginia being so close 

 to the large markets of the east, and growing excellent apples, I believe 

 will be able to maintain herself and sell what she raises at good iH-ices. 

 Of course, the better the quality of fruit, no matter in what quantity 

 it is grown, the better it will sell. 



Mr. Smythe — Is it not true that they have the codling moth — a man 

 said to me recently, ''One thing we do not have which you do." And 

 I said, "What?" and his reply was, "The codling moth." 



Mr. Waller — It is not so in Oregon, but I understand that there is 



