NORTHEY 



CAMPBELL: He is talking about hypothermia versus stress. 

 You can have stress without hypothermia. You need to really 

 lower the body temperature, which we haven't done. It has been 

 done in the case of the hibernating squirrels. I think you would 

 have to use an animal of this sort. Of course, this is an adap- 

 tation, and you have two problems. It seems to me one is a stress 

 problem and the other is not. 



BLAIR: That is right. What I am trying to clarify in my own 

 mind is that the cold exposure is simply one of numerous stimuli 

 that could be used to produce the same situation. 



TRAPANI: I think this is true. What we are really dealing 

 with in an animal that is cold exposed are the secondary factors 

 which affect its response. 



BLAIR: Could we call this the affect of cold on immune re- 

 sponses, really? 



TRAPANI: If you put it in a cold box or out in the snow, a 

 cold stress is imposed, and the index used for measuring the 

 response is attributable to that stress, either directly or in- 

 directly. 



BLAIR: Suppose you produce a stress situation through another 

 stimulus? 



PREVITE: These responses to various types of stimuli, for 

 example cold, heat, or sound, are not always the same. 



MITCHELL: I wonder if we have a veterinarian around here 

 who can tell us whether this is a stress or not. I want to know 

 whether we are really and truly talking about a stress to these 

 animals, or whether we are trying to talk about what would be 

 a stress to a man if we did it to him? 



REINHARD: Well, I think if the stress investigators con- 

 ducted baseline experiments to determine the characteristics 

 of the animal, that all animals would have similarities in their 

 responses to stress. There is only one area in which man is 



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