760 The youvjial of Forestry. 



certainty of the end being gained lost. And it follows that the hes 

 instruction in forest science and in forestry is to be obtained, not in 

 a university, but in the forest academy. Be it the case that the 

 university is the central meeting-place of intellectual aristocracy, and 

 the Hoclisdinle the place in which administrative culture is obtained, 

 they are even then, each of them, but of secondary importance in the 

 training in forest technology. 



It is said that the forest academies, leaving out of their view general 

 education, have never produced men of powerful thought and reason- 

 ing ; while at the university the students drink from a pure fountain of 

 the very well-spring of science. If it be the case that academies are 

 open to this charge, the remedy is to be found in the academy and in 

 the forest, with opportunity for the student to resort to the latter 

 every day, where he can propose and solve his questions on physiology 

 and zoology, and the forest student will thus walk side by side 

 with the student of nature. The education advocated by the Bavarian 

 Commission would produce very different results from what might thus 

 be obtained. The teachers of the fundamental and accessory sciences 

 would remain devoid of all sympathy with the forest, and would busy 

 themselves with the solution of problems irrespective of their relation 

 to forest science, and the result would be, the researches would have 

 very much of a one-sided character. He said it might be alleged 

 against him that these were only opinions of his, but that facts were 

 against him. On the other hand, Herr Berr, the Minister of State, 

 had himself declared that thus far the school of forestry in AschafFen- 

 burg had done good service, and succeeded well. Von ]\Iantel has 

 given expression to a similar opinion. And in Prussia it is matter of 

 experience that the professional school of forestry has produced more 

 skilful foresters and district conservators and business men than have 

 the small universities with which forestal instruction has been com- 

 bined. 



In reference to an allegation that forests in Hesse produced a net 

 revenue of 21^ marks per hectare, and in Baden one of 24 marks, both 

 being states in which forest officials were educated at schools of 

 forestry in connection with Hocliscltuhn. — in the former the University 

 of Giessen, in the latter the Polytechnicum of Carlsruhe — while in 

 Bavaria, where they were educated at a forest academy, the forests 

 produced only a net revenue of 1 9 marks, he showed that the argu- 

 ments must, in the absence of information on many points, go for 

 nothing ; and he summed up in favour of maintaining the forest 

 academies as special institutions, located irrespective of the Hochschule 

 and the university. 



The second speaker appointed to open the discussion was Dr. von 

 Seckendorff, from Austria, Professor and Councillor of State, who 



