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HARDWOOD RECORD 



Mr. Davis — Aboul what do you v.ilue your 

 lumber at? 



Mr. Waters — My plain sawed should repre- 

 sent at least $50 cut up: not cut, log run. $15 

 to $30; 1 inch lumber is worth about $42. 

 plain sawed firsts and seconds; common, about 

 $27.. 



Mr. Davis — If your logs run one-thinl fiists 

 and seconds, one-third common and one-third 

 culls, your product then would bring you in 

 lumber $32. But you want it to bring you 

 5 cents a foot sawn up. What I want to get 

 at is the profit that is added to the lumber by 

 sawing it up. If it fi^tn-es $:V2 a tluinsnnd 

 and you int it up. what pnifit do ynu u'l't 

 from it? 



Mr. Waters — I don't know. 



Mr. Davi.s — I will ask Mr. Clark about his 

 figures. 



Mr. Clark — We have hardly been able to se- 

 cure the range of prices Mr. Waters reteis 

 to. Chair stock from 16 to 22 inches. 3 ',4 or 

 4% inches wide has not brought us more than 

 $40 f. o. b.. Boston rate. We make no rock- 

 ers at our place at all. only straight stock. 

 Our output is confined to plain oak and i>o;)- 

 lar exclusively, straight sawed. 



Mr. Waters — At the veneer mills 1 can get 

 more out of some logs than I can to manufac- 

 ture them. Take a log 30 inches and up. It 

 may have one great big knot in it; I could not 

 afford to ship that to a veneer mill, but I can 

 make half of it into quarter sawed lumber. 

 The other part I can rip up for the dimension 

 stock. I only lose where the knot is, but if I 

 manufacture it into lumber, every board would 

 pass as cull- or common. 



Mr. Ackie.v; Generally with common lumber 

 we get eighty to eighty-eight percent out of 

 the lumber. In culls we get seventy-five or 

 eighl.v percent. We us? inch squares but we 

 don't buy inch .squares. We don't have to bu.v 

 them because we buy so much lumber we get 

 all the inch slock we want from the stuff we 

 cut up. We call it a very poor run of com- 

 mon lumber that we can't get eighty percent 

 of dimension stock from. 



Mr. Iiavls — So then in cnlting up Here is 

 ten percent difference between commons and 

 culls, while there is fifty percent in price of 

 the lumber? 



Mr. Moffatt — We could flood our place with 

 inch .s(|uares for $17 to $18. We get those 

 quotations right along. 



Mr. Bacon — I want to call attention to a re- 

 mark made by Mr. Ackley this morning. I 

 don't qnlic understand It. Is it not a matter of 

 fact that "price" and "Inspection " are insep- 

 arable terms? 



Mr. Ackley — We get a price and then we 

 send in our specifications, and don't have any 

 trouble about the price.- [Laughter.] When- 

 ever we order one or ten cars we make it 

 subject to the inspection of the first car. We 

 don't like to start with new people. As was 

 said this morning about the $40 and $C5 prices, 

 we want to get the stock and get it right. 



Mr. Davis — I don't think Mr. Moffatt and 

 Mr. Ackley are exactly clear in what was said 

 about getting a price and then sending out the 

 specifications, etc. 1 don't think they meant 

 to trtke any advantage of the seller in that 

 statement; li wa.s just the wa.v It was worded. 

 I think they arc fair in their statement and I 

 believe are fair to their customers. I Ihink 

 they deserve a great deal of credit for speak- 

 ing as fully and freely as they have. 



Mr. Paeon — The statement Mr. Ackley marie 

 that It dues not make any difference with 

 them what price they pay Just so long as they 

 get th" giinds I think Is genera'ly true. Now, 

 men rhnt Minke you n price of ^fi.'i you linow 

 will kU'- you better stock than the men who 

 mak' >c,u a $45 price. Then why don't you 

 uphold the hands of the men that make the 

 $6.1 stock? This is the l-aols on which this 



association must be tornio*!. l>(in t use uur 

 grades and the other fellow's prices 1 



Mr. Davis — What do you want to do with 

 this report of the committee as you have 

 heard it? Shall they give a more definite one 

 or do you want to accept this as their report? 

 I think in the matter of grading, it is gen- 

 erally conceded that the stock has to be free 

 from all defects, cut to the proper size: bright 

 .sap no defect. There seems to be no objec- 

 tion to that. 



Mr. Ackley — We have more trouble with the 

 inspection on sizes than we do oti (|iialit>-. 



Mr. Bacon — Do you accept stock that is a 

 trifle larger than the size you order'.' 



Mr. Ackley — If it is s<|uarc we acc;pt it all 

 right. 



Mr. Bacon — Do you leave a leeway of I-IC 

 inch over size? 



Mr. Ackley — Yes; it must not be under size: 

 it may be over. 



Mr. Waters — I have made some scnunes and 

 I know what a trouble it is to have .squares 

 that are not squares. I have a contrivance 

 tor preventing this. I make it a point never 

 to have them over one-eighth inch cut of 

 square. On my chair rockers I allow one- 

 sixteenth inch for shrinkage and one-.ighth 

 inch for frizzing— I mean one-eighth inch on 

 each side of the rocker. 



Mr. Davis — Now, shall we receive this re-xut 

 or refer it back to the committee and Kt them 

 work on it at some future time? 



Mr. Hoyt — I move we accejit the report and 

 cwitinue the committee. 



Mr. Davis — Silence reigns. 



Mr. Bacon — I move two or three in each 

 state interested in dimensicui stock be asked 

 to outline their views on prices, etc., and let 

 .several more recruits be found I'or the coi-n- 

 mittee. I still think that to avoid confusion 

 we should have a common oasis. In other 

 words, what is wanted for cerlain stock at a 

 certain rate? I picked out New York because 

 to that point the rate is more nearly equalized. 

 Then the prices in other states will be re- 

 lative to the prices in New York, etc. 



Mr. Davis — I suggest that we continue this 

 meeting in the form of a jiermanent organiza- 

 tion, and let Mr. Gibson furnish a list of 

 names from the different states of people 

 interested, and submit to those men a list of 

 questions in such form that they will only 

 have to write the answers anil return. Let 

 the secretary compile these questions in the 

 best form he can and submit them and then 

 we will call another meeting later on. 



Mr. c;ibson — I believe this can be accom- 

 plished, but I think it would be wi.se to form 

 a permanent organization and establish a 

 name and elect officers until the next meet- 

 ing, and I will take pleasure in doing all I 

 can for you toward grouping together people 

 who should be Interested in this movement. 



Mr. Davis— It seems to me that there should 

 be some little provision made for the neees 

 sary expense of correspondence, etc. What 

 shall we do about this? 



Mr. Clark— I concur in the views expressed 

 by Mr. Davis and Mr. Gibson, and I may state 

 tbat so far iis oin-' company is concerned, we 

 will be willing to contribute even now. pro 

 i-a'.a. any amount that might be necessarv to 

 effect this organization and provide for a re- 

 irurieratlon for the .secretary until such time 

 as we ean give the matter a mon- thorough 

 test. Just as to what this organization should 

 be I think should be discussed a little more 

 thoroughy possibly. 



Mr. Waters — I hare nothing lo express ex- 

 cept what Mr. Clark has said. I am willing 

 lo contribute toward any expense that may 

 be necessary to have a regular secretary, and 

 put the matter on a good renting. Pe-haps 

 Mr. Gibson will suggest some name as s^' ■' - 

 lary of Ihe organization. 



.\lr. Gibson — 1 would suggest your present 

 leinpnrarv secretary as there is nobody better 

 able to give the matter the right kind of 

 attention. I think he is one to be continued 

 in this position. I will be glad to do all I 

 can to get people interested and get them 

 here next time. I think the start is a mighty 

 good one. I have seen all the other lumber 

 associations established, and 1 toll you there 

 was not one of them tha't had as good a start 

 as you have right here. I think ever.v man 

 h.as learned enough to pay tiini for this visit. 



Mr. Clark — I move that this jiresent organ- 

 ization be made permanent and that the pres- 

 ent chairman be elected president and the 

 present secretary be continued until such time 

 as the president and secretary may see fit 

 to call another meeting to perfect the or- 

 ganization. In other words, that we effect 

 a permanent organization here today, 

 carried. 



The molinii was seconded by Mr, Hoyt and 



Mr. Gibson — I suggest that the chair appoint 

 a committee on constitution and by-laws lo 

 have read.v for the next meeting. 



A motion to tills effect was carried. 



Mr. Davi.s — I appoint Mr. Garetson, Mr. 

 Gibson. Mr. Bacon and Mr. Clark to serve 

 with the officers on this committee. We are 

 ready for the report of the wagon stock com- 

 mittee now. 



Mr. Garetsoiv — We have decided that the 

 following is a fair schedule of prices: Bol- 

 sters 3x4 and to 4x5, $45: reaches 2x4 to 

 214x41^-10 and 12 ft.. $45; larger sizes and 

 tongues. $50. These prices f. o. b. Ohio river 

 points. If we can publish these prices and get 

 u few people lo know that the stock is worth 

 that it wil tend toward getting nearer these 

 prices, which are not at all too low. 



Mr. Pratt — I would like to hear from some 

 of the gentlemen who nmnufacture felloes as 

 to their ideas in regard to the felloe busi- 

 ness. The question seems to me an impor- 

 tant one to the wagon stock maiuifacturer. 

 <»speciall.v when it comes to stiindard-sized 

 felloes. I think they are sold away below 

 what they should be, and at a great variation. 



Mr. Garetson — Possibly it would be better 

 not to make our report as a report until such 

 time as we could be able to talk with more 

 people who make this stock. There Is a good 

 deal to be said as to felloe production, and it 

 ought to be gone into prett.v thoroughly, the 

 same as the other dimension stock. One 

 thing we have not touched upon is the price 

 of agricultural implement stock. Today It 

 seems almost impossible to get together, and 

 we arc all in different lines of manufacture, 

 so we really could not arrive at any definite 

 proposition. I would judge that there is no- 

 body in the party who has given that the 

 study it should have. If anyone has any 

 prices to cffer for felloes would like to have 

 them go in on the report. 



Mr. Bacon — Can't this ciunmitlec be con- 

 tinued and treated the same b.v Mr. Gibson as 

 the other committee, following out the idea 

 of getting Information from different manu- 

 facturers? I move that this be done. 



Mr. Davis— I think this is the proper thing 

 and hope Ihe committee will go to work at 

 iinee and send out a circular liMti'r gelling In 

 formation which can be tabulated taking Intu 

 consideration the buyers as well as the .sell- 

 ers' views of this matter. We will have to 

 consult the buyers and conform sonu' to their 

 dictates. We can't turn the world upside 

 down, but In this way can arrive at a more 

 satisfactory concluskm than If we only have 

 our own side lo consider. Motion si'condcd 

 and carried. 



Mr. Bacon- 1 move we adjouiii until the 

 call for nnother mtcting by Ihe chairman 

 I jtrrlerl. 



Mr. Utivls l-'h'Hl 1 move we I'xleud a vole 



