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HARDWOOD RECORD 



Mr. Oroffman : I think not. [Laughter.] 

 Mr. Sawyer : I think calling this association 

 a trust would be laughable indeed. However, 

 I wish it wore one. 



Q. What is considered the actual cost of sand 

 lug plain oak panels? 



Mr. Kline ; Does anybody know ? I ought to. 

 but I swear I don't. 



Mr. Schoenlau : 52.50 a thousand on one side 

 Is what it costs us. 



Mr. Eggers : It depends entirely on the thick- 

 ness of the stock. You could not make any hard 

 and fast rule by the thousand, and I don't re- 

 member what the average cost is. We figure 

 cost of our GO-inci sander at 70 cents an hour. 

 The smaller machines we charge less for. That 

 covers cost of labor and power. 



Mr. Benjamin : I iave some figures on Jan- 

 uary cost. The item of sanding includes the 

 labor, not sand paper or supplies, but simply 

 the pay roll. It represents the number of feet 

 of panels sanded during the month, some on one 

 side and some on both. It shows 83 cents per 

 thousand square feet. 



.Mr. Kline : With us we figure that it is more 

 profitable to sell panels at ?1 a thousand less 

 than to get the extra $1 and have them sanded. 



Q. What is elm wrapping worth ? 



Mr. Perry : What constitutes an elm wrap- 

 ping? 



Mr. Kline : I don't know ; I suppose rotary cut 

 veneer used for wrapping moldings, etc. 



-Mr. Dayton : The leather manufacturers used 

 to buy it and pay ^5 a thousand for 1-16 dry, 

 f. 0. b. mill. It is done up in large rolls or 

 bundles. 



Q. What is the best method — cheapness con- 

 sidered — in drying veneers, especially thin stock? 



Mr. GrofTman : I gue.ss anybody that uses a 

 Coe dryer will say that's the best way. 



Mr. Schoenlau : Another machine is running 

 all right, but it doesn't run straight. 



Mr. Kline : Of course there are many meth- 

 ods of drying veneers, but it seems to me from 

 the fact that so many manufacturers of veneers 

 are turning to the moving plan, that it is indi- 

 cated that the consensus of opinion is that the 

 day of th(' dry kiln is to a certain extent past. 

 and that a process of this kind Is coming in. 



Mr. Sawyer ; What is the difference in cost 

 between kiln drying and Coe drying? 



Mr. Munyon : I am drying every day about 

 00,000 feet of 1/20 oak In from eight to nine 

 hours with that machine, and I employ on it 

 from three to four men. I carry about 100 pounds 

 pressure on the boiler. 



Mr. Uroffman : With the present dryer we 

 have, % stock is the limit. We don't like to 

 put that through. I understand the new dryer 

 will dry J/i-lnch stock. 



Q. What is the cost of gluing labor on 3-pIy 

 stock ? 



Mr. Eggers : From «0 cents a thousand to 

 S7.90. [Laughter.] The cost depends entirely 

 on the (luantlty and the sizes. 



Mr. Kline : If any man who runs a gluing de- 

 pa'rtment will take note, he will find that one 

 week the men will do a great deal more than at 

 another time. 



Q. What is the comparative cost of drawer 

 bottoms, between dlmenBlon and log run stock- - 

 say, lor Instance, '/i-lnch poplar? 



Mr. Munyon : I would like to qualify that 

 somewhat, making It in stock 10 indies and up. 



Mr. Kline : I believe log run can be produced 

 for about eighty per cent of the cost of dimen- 

 sion stock. 



g. Why don't veneer manufacturers ride in 

 automobiles? [I.jiugbter.] 



Mr. Kline : I guess we can all answer that I 



Mr. Oroffman : I want to bring up another 

 question. We get orders from people who want 

 panels 7 1516 wide. What would you do about 

 «hat? 



Mr. Kline: Charge them for the full Inch, of 

 course. 



Mr. Anderson: In regard to this question of 



dimension and log run drawer bottom stock, I 

 would be glad to know what the market price 

 on 3, 10 and 14 inch log run birch, gum and 

 poplar is. I would put that in the form of a 

 motion. Let us take a blind vote on the prices 

 of drawer bottoms of whatever material you 

 make them, 3, 10, 5/10, >n and %, f. o. b. the 

 mill. 



The result of the blind vote brought out tlie 

 following schedule : 



Basswood: 3/lG, .fll, $14.03, .$12; i/4 , $14. 

 ?10..'-.O, $1G; ,V10, $22, .$20, $18.50: Birch: 3,10, 

 $10.50. $12, $14.03; 1,4, $12, $15, $10.50; 5/10, 

 $15; %, $18. Cium: 3/lG, $10.50, $10; Vt, 

 $13.50, $12.50; 5/10, $16.50. Poplar: 3/16. 

 $12; 14, ?15; 5/lG, $22; %, $30. Cottonwood: 

 3/16, $10; Vi, $12.50; 5/10, $15. 



Bait for Suckers. 



Mr. Lord: I will read a circular letter from 

 a concern figuring on establishing a dozen mills 

 through tile South. Through a frieud of mine 

 I have a copy of this letter of theirs which they 

 are sending out as a prospectus. It may be in- 

 teresting : "Scarcely anyone outside of the man- 

 ufactures themselves have any adequate idea of 

 the profits in this business. In the first place, 

 owing to the peculiar nature of the industry, 

 access to any of the larger factories Is not read- 

 ily obtained, and the general public has had little 

 if any opportunity to become acquainted with the 

 business. None of the companies now operating 

 are receiving less Ihau twenty-five per cent and 

 some as high as three hundred per cent on their 

 investment. As an example of the profits, we 

 submit the following, assuming that the manu- 

 facturer has to purchase his own logs : 



One thousand feet oak logs will make 



20,000 feet of 1/20 inch veneer. 



Cost of 1,000 feet oak logs, f. o. 



b. factory $15.00 



Cost of manufacturing into 1/20 



inch veneer 10.00 



Freight on veneer to market.... 10.00 



Total $35.00 



The present selling price of 1/20 iuch 



veneer is $G per Jl. feet. 



20,000 feet of 1/20 inch veneer 



at $G per M $120.00 



Deducting total cost 35.00 



Leaves a net profit of $ 85.00 



[Laughter.) 



This letter is sent out by the Pittsburg Bond 

 Company, offering stock in the Pittsburg & South- 

 ern Veneer .Manufacturing Company, capital 

 $500,000, stock $100 per share— now olTered at 

 $50. 



Report of Committee on Terms and Dis- 

 couut.s. 



Mr. Kline: We would now like to licar from 

 the committee on terms and discounts. 



Mr. Dayton: As chairman of that committee, 

 I would say that we recommend the following — 

 that the terms on bills shall read net tlilrty 

 days, or two per cent for cash ten days from 

 date of shipment, after freight has been de- 

 ducted, if delivered prices were quoted. I move 

 the adoption of this report. 



After some discussion, the report of the com- 

 mittee on terms and discounts was adopted. 

 Classification of Freight. 



■Ml. l."i(l ; Iti ii'gard to the classllicatlon of 

 freight : While It may uot be possible to do 

 anything in the way of classification, still 1 

 believe if a committee were appointed they could 

 have the Inconsistent rules In tills respect 

 changed, so tliat veneer 1/10 incii or thinner 

 would take the regular classification, as the 

 thicker stuff docs now. I would like to make a 

 suggestion thill the I'liair a|)|iolnt such a com- 

 mittee. .As It is now, mnliii^iiiiy fir any expensive 

 wood lakes the same freight rate as poplar, while 

 a barrel of vinegar doesn't take the same as a 

 barrel of whiskey by any means, In veneer 

 a carload of thin stock will not ninonnt to as 

 much III (liillars and cents us tii(^ heavier stuff. 

 I think If the asHoclatlon would take hold of it, 

 there can be enough pressure brouglit to bear to 

 do some good. 



Mr. Kllno: This matter of classification on 

 veneers has been up before the rallroail companies 



for the past twenty years. There was a time 

 when everything took lumber rates, but the com- 

 panies got wise and have made classifications 

 wliich are very inconsistent, as Mr. Lord says. 

 1 believe that if this association gets strong and 

 appoints a committee that knows its business, 

 which shall go before the rate makers, we can 

 get a hearing and point out to them the incon- 

 sistencies not only as regards veneers, but also 

 the combined wood idea Mr. Uroffman spoke 

 about. But I believe it is absolutely useless at 

 tlie present time, although if we get up a national 

 organization and go after them, we will doubtless 

 get some concessions. 



Mr. Lord : Can't we have a committee to in- 

 vestigate these inconsistencies and look them 

 up? They don't need to bring it before any- 

 body, but they can look it up. I will make this 

 motion — that the chair appoint a committee of 

 three to investigate and report at the next meet- 

 ing. 



Seconded and carried. 



Mr. Sawyer: I should think now was the time 

 to appoint a regular program committee. I feel 

 that we should have a good strong committee 

 to tell us just what should be done, and in what 

 order. I move that a program committee be 

 appointed in accordance with the constitution, 

 wliich makes such provision. 



Seconded and carried. 



It was decided to have a meeting held in south- 

 ern territory and one in the North before the 

 next meeting of the general association in June. 



-\ vote of thanks was extended to the ofiicers 

 for their efficient and zealous work in promoting 

 the welfare of the organization since its Incep- 

 tion, after whicli tlie meeting adjourned. 



Veneer Grades. 



The amended rules for the grading of veneer, 

 as authorized by the National \'eueer & Panel 

 Manufacturers' Association, are as follows : 

 Rotary Cut Stock. 



In the description of veneer, width across the 

 grain shall be named first, and length with the 

 grain, second. 



OAK and BIRCH shall be graded as faces and 

 backs. 



FACKS shall be clear and of even thickness : 

 straight closed checks or splits, not to exceed one 

 inch per foot In length of piece, permissible. 



BACKS shall be sound : sound knots, discolor- 

 ation, straight closed splits and checks open not 

 to exceed one-sixteentli of an inch allowable ; 

 jiiu worm boles shall not be considered a defect. 



B-VSi; PRICE shall be 14 inches and under In 

 width and 4 feet aud under in length on i,-s iuch 

 stock and thinner ; an addition of $1 per thousand 

 feet for eacli 2 inches additional width, and 

 $1 for the fir.st additional foot In length, and $2 

 for each further additional foot in lengtli shall 

 be made. .Stock under ^,>i incli iu thickness, base 

 to be 12 inches in width, proportionate advance 

 to lie in widtiis of six inches. 



These grades and rules shall apply to such 

 other native rotary cut veneer as may be used 

 tor faces and backs, but do not apply to log run 

 stock. 



CROSS BANDING shall be clear, save from pin 

 worm lioles, and of eveu thickness ; straight 

 I'losed checks, straight splits, saps and discolora- 

 tion not to be regarded as defects. Base price 

 shall be on 24 inches average widtli. 



Biiti'ii, Basswood, Cottonwood, Poplau, Gl'm 

 A.ND StMii.Ait Woods shall lie graded as follows: 



CLEAR : No. I or drawer bottoms and glass 

 backs : No. 2 or filler stock. 



CLEAR : This grade shall be perfect, allowing 

 only agreed defects, and will be considered as 

 special stock. 



NO. 1 : This grade shall consist of stock 

 closely and evenly cut: slight defects such as 

 sound knots, discoloration, short closed splits 

 permissible. 



NO. 2 : Will allow knots, knot-holes of not to 

 exceed one Inch In diameter, slight shakes, checks 

 aud worm boles, enough two piece and three 

 piece stock shall be taken to work up waste made 

 while cutting regular width. 



BASE I'RICE on No. 1 grade shall be on 

 widths not to exceed 1.1 Inches and lengths not 

 to exceed 5 feet; $1 additional shall be charged 

 on widths 16 to 20 inches; $2 adilltlonnl on 

 widths 21 to D.T iuciies. and .$3 additional on 

 widths 20 to 30 Inches. Stock wider than 30 

 Inches and longer than G feet shall be considered 

 as special stock. 



