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up with the scale of board lumber and Mr. Web- 

 ster thinks with proper prices his product could 

 be Increased three or four times with profit to 

 himself. 



Mr. Webster : Without any extra power or 

 steam we can manufacture at our plant two to 

 two and one-half million feet of dimension stocli 

 for chair and dimension purposes, with the ad- 

 ditional cost of the men to do it, and work up 

 the detective and butt ends that do not pay 

 to use at present prices. I think this dimension 

 proposition should be treated along the lines 

 of economy of the forest itself, using stuff 

 in dimension that could not be profitably put 

 into lumber. 



Mr. Gibson : If I may be pardoned I would 

 like to say a word about the dimension propo- 

 sition. There are many people here who are 

 actual producers, and others who would like to 

 be If there was any money in it. I think that 

 logically the hardwood dimension business is 

 the best end of the lumber business. T"p to 

 date it has not been. It means a good deal to 

 the lumber industry — I think, more even than 

 theoretical forestry matters. It means conserving 

 the forests : it means exercising sawmill economy ; 

 it means putting sixty or seventy per cent — instead 

 of thirty per cent of the forest onto the market. 

 1 believe as time progresses you will find it tb« 



lUANK 



most important element of the hardwood busi- 

 ness. 



Mr. Bripgs : We manufacture considerable 

 lumber and some dimension stock. We manu- 

 facture our dimension stull largely from mill 

 culls and slabs — the waste of our mill. And 

 the worst thing we have to contend with is 

 inspection and grading of dimension stock. I 

 think this is one of the things that needs con- 

 sideration more than prices. Kverybody has 

 their own Inapertlin in dimension, and they 

 want to buy on about the .same basis. Take 

 chair stock — I was talking to a man this morn- 

 ing who said he shipped a lot of chair stock. 1 

 asked him what Inspection. He said I make it 

 clear. Now that Is unnecessary. I sell a lot 

 of chair stock on contract, with one face and 

 one edge clear. I Bp«'clfy Ir so and stand by It. 

 I produce about one carload a day. I mal 

 spindles and posts. roun<lj) and slabs, but that l«> 

 not saying that they should he any cheaper. 

 The thing Is to get the grade right and the 

 prices will practically lake care of themselves. 



Mr. Iiavls: One carload a day would repre- 

 sent alKiiit 3.000.000 feet a year. Your total out- 

 put of lumber Is about 21,000,000 ft. You state 

 that the price wiil take care of Itself, but the 

 matter Is grading. That will come up today, 

 and we will have to decide on It. I must say 



that I have always aimed to make it clear, just 

 as I would exTPft to see It in the chair, al- 

 though 1 never looked under one to see what it 

 looked like underneath. I have always made my 

 prices accordingly. The consequence is that I 

 have sold practically none of this class of stock. 

 I have made it clear one face and two edges. 

 We have shipped worm holes and knots that do 

 not show through, but as a rule, one face and 

 two edges clear. 



Mr. Briggs : I think my rule would apply 

 to all furniture stock where only one side 

 showed. We must get up rules whereby inspec- 

 tion must be governed, and it will help the 

 business. We ought to have a rule to govern 

 the whole business. Speaking of grading : take 

 wheels for instance, the people will not kick 

 about price if .wheels are made right, as to the 

 spokes and rims. 



Mr. Garelson : We have never yet found a 

 chairmaker that would take anything which was 

 not perfectly clear, and I am glad to know that 

 there are some who will. If we can get them 

 lo take the grade that way we can make prices 

 right for them. 



Mr. Davis : The Committee on the Presi- 

 dent's Address is now ready to present its re- 

 port. Mr. Bacon will read it. 

 Report of Committee on President's Address. 



Mr. President and <;;eutlemon ; We your Cum 

 mittee on the President's Address, do hereby 

 respectfully submit the following : 



FIRST, we concur in the recommendation of 

 I he president embodied in his addre.ss. 



SKCONL), we recommend the appointment of 

 committee.-; covering the following material who 

 will act on both grades and values : 



Furniture and chair stock, five. 



Wagon and implement .stock, five. 



Hickory vehicle stock, five. 



THIRD, we also approve of the presidents 

 recommendation that the hardwood din|ension 

 industry ally itself with the Hardwood Manu- 

 facturers' Association of the United States, and 

 hei'eby recommend the adoption of the foUowini: 

 prejimble and resolution : 



WllKlIKAS, since the time of the temporary 

 organization of the Hardwood Dimension Asso- 

 ciation, made at Chicago. November 21, 190.">, 

 the Hardwood Manufacturers' Association of the 

 Cnited States has recognized the importance of 

 hardwood dimension as an integral part of hard 

 wood manufacture, and 



WHERE.\S, at its annual meeting at Louis- 

 ville, Ky., on .January Hi and 17, it authorized 

 the making of an analysis of grading, specifica- 

 iilions and values of hardwood dimension mate- 

 rial, niul 



WIIKIUCAS, Hie Hardwood Manufacturers' As- 

 sociation of the I'nitcd States is recognized as 

 the foremost organization of its kind in the 

 country. Its work being devoted exclusively to 

 the benefit of manufacturers of hardwoods, and 



WHEREAS, it is believed that the best Inter- 

 ests of producers of hardwood dimension mate- 

 rial in all forms can best be served by an alli- 

 iince with the Hardwood Manufacturers' Asso- 

 liiitlon of the United States; therefore be It 



RKSDl.VEl), that the individuals here present 

 do recommend and pledge themselves Indlvidu- 

 jilly atid jointly lo altlliatc with the Hardwood 

 .Manufacturers' Association of the United Stales, 

 and to lend their moral and financial support to 

 the furtherance of the dimension work under- 

 taken by that association ; and 



RESOLVED, that the proceedings of this 

 meeting be embodied !n a report to be presented 

 to the executive board of the Hardwood .Manti- 

 tactiirerK' Association of the United States 

 showing the outjiut represented at this meeting, 

 and signed by all here prcsenl. 



RcHpeetfully submitted, 



3. S. OAtlKTSON. 



V. W. Wkbstkii. 

 Lewis Dostimi. 

 Mr. Davis: Y'ou have heard the reiinri nf the 

 committee, what will you do witli II? 



Mr. Perrinc : I move we adopt the report and 

 carry out the recommendations therein. 



Mr. Davis : I wiil appoint the committees as 

 soon as possible, and announce them. Since we 

 have passed on this report I have been informed 

 that there is quite a lot of gum dimension stock, 

 and while that has not been brought up, I believe 

 from the amount it is of vital interest, especially 

 if this association becomes a part of the Hard- 

 wood Manufacturers' Association, because they 

 already handle the gum proposition from a saw- 

 mill standpoint. Therefore. I think we should 

 add to this committee poplar dimension stock 

 and also gum. and would entertain a motion to 

 amend this report accordingly. 



Mr. ^^'ebster : I move to amend the report 

 ami appoint a committee of five for each wood^ 

 poplar and gum. 



Mr. Davis : I think three is a sufficient num- 

 ber to appoint on these committees. 



List of Committees Appointed. 



Mv. Davis thereupon npiioiiited the following 

 committees : 



CH.\IR AND FURXITl'KK STOCK. GllADI.VO A.ND 



Vai.i ES : F. W. Webster, G. E. Breece, C. S. 

 llacon, C. M. Clark and G. M. Waters. 



WAOOX and l.MPLEJIENT STOCK. (_JaADI.NO AXP 



Vai.uks ; Van B. Perrine. A. H. Kampf. E. W. 

 Pratt. .Tr., .1. S. Garetstm and .1. li. Galloway. 



K. W. I'llAIT. .11; 



UnFTuN, KY. 



HlCKOltV \'F.HHM.r. S'roCIC. GitAptNG \st> 



Vai.uiss : C. I. Hoyt, L. Foot. H. 'I'ayior, O. G. 

 Fitzgerald and E. Sturm. 



GL.M DiMKXsio.N Stock, GiiAm.vi; axo Values: 

 0. G. Fitzgerald, J. S. Garetson, F. W. Webster 

 and C. S. Bacon. 



POPLAlt AND Ba.SSWOuU. tJnAllIXIi AXIl VALUES : 



C. M. Clark and F. W. Webster. 



Mr. Davis : I would like to have these com- 

 mittees meet as soon as possible and take up 

 their duty. There are some mauufacturers hero 

 wlio are not on these coiumittees, btit wiio miglit 

 be If 1 were more familiar with the different 

 members. I hope they will make themselves 

 known to the different committees, and It may 

 he that 1 can substitute their names lu some 

 cases, If 1 have appointed the same man on two 

 committees. I would like also to liave the men 

 who arc interested In using this stock meet 

 with these committees. We do not want tliera 

 to be at all backward in giving us their views. 

 We know their views are good, and we must sell 

 the stock to somebody, and must in the end 

 consult with these men. 



Upon motion the meeting adjoiiineil until 

 ;: p. 111. 



WEDNESDAY AFTEBNOO* SESSION. 



The meeting was called to order at .'I p. in., 

 President Davis In the <'hnlr. 



