July 10. ia22 



HARDWOOD RECORD 



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■with the softwoods." On the question being put the associations 

 voted as follows: 



Southern Pine Association : Tes. 



West Coast Lumbermen's Association : Yes. 



Western Pine Manufacturers' Association : Yes. 



California Redwood .\ssociation : Yes. 



California White & Sugar Pine Manufacturers' Association : Yes. 



Georgia-Florida Sawmill Association : No response. 



Michigan Hardwood Manufacturers' Association : No. 



North Carolina Pine Association : Yes. 



Northern Hemlock & Hardwood Manufacturers' Association : No. 



Southern Cypress Manufacturers' Association : Yes. 



American Hardwood Manufacturers' Association : Yes. 



National Hardwood Lumber Association : No. 



Nttrthern Pine Manufacturers" .\ssociation : Yes. 



The Secretary : Nine, yes ; three, nci. 



Committee on Grade and Quantity Guarantees 



The president interspersed tlie remark at this juncture that 

 it would be well to proceed with matters immediately before the 

 conference rather than pausing to determine means of taking care 

 of dissenting reports. Thus, the report of the committee on guar- 

 antees of quantity and quality of lumber and grade marking was 

 delivered by J. W. Martin, chairman, as follows: 



RESOLVED. That the formulatiun of rules for the grading and inspec- 

 tion of lumber is a function of the manufacturers and that grade rules 

 should be based on the needs of consumption and the ability of the pro- 

 ducers with the timber available to satisfy those needs, and that grades 

 should be so made as to allocate the available supply to the various con- 

 suming industries in proportion to their needs and demands so that the 

 products of the manufacturers may be utilized with the least waste and, 

 therefore, at the lowest cost to the ultimate consumer. 



RESOLVED, FURTHER, (1) That as representatives of the various 

 lumber manufacturing associations we pledge ourselves to work for the 

 following program to the end that our industry, as a whole, may under- 

 take to provide such inspection service and supervision for the manufac- 

 turers in all associations, and those tbey serve, as will guarantee the 

 buyers of the product : 



1st. A. That all grading will be done by properly supervised and quali- 

 fied graders or inspectors. 



B. That in case of complaint on account of the grade or tally of any 

 shipment. Official Association reinspeetion will be available. 



C. That where buyers demand, and will pay the cost, a certificate made 

 by a Certified .Association inspector will be furnished with each shipment 

 so arranged for. 



2nd. To arrange for the placing in each car, at the mill, of a card 

 giving grade and contents of car. 



3rd. To place an association grade mark on a sufficient portion of each 

 shipment to protect the consumers or re-manufacturers from substitution. 

 Said grade mark to identify the member mill by number, the -Association 

 it belongs to by letter or other copyrighted insignia, and the grade in 

 plain nomenclature or easily understandable abbreviations thereof. 

 The North Carolina Pine Association 1 ^. . . .^, , 



The Northern Pine Association !■ P'^sent from (.rade 



The Western Pine Mfrs. Association J Marking at this tune. 

 4th. The purpose we desire to accomplish is to provide a commodity 

 that can be merchandized and cannot be manipulated. 



It developed in the discussion that this was the unanimous report 

 of the Committee except so far as it concerned grade marking 

 from which the three associations designated dissented. The dis- 

 cussion of the report resulted in one slight change, the final re- 

 port being exactly as above given except that at the beginning 

 of the third paragraph of Division C there were inserted the 

 words, "If found practicable," this paragraph then reading, "If 

 found practicable to place an association grade mark," etc. 



The first question then before the conference was vote on the 

 adoption of the balance of the report, leaving out that section 

 referring to grade marking. This motion was carried unanimously. 

 Revote Accepts All But Grade Marking 



A. C. Dixon then moved the adoption of the third clause referring 



to grade marking, at which point Horace F. Taylor interjected 



the remark that the voting was to have been by associations, to 



which statement the president concurred, requesting the secretary 



to call the roll. Whereupon the associations revoted as follows on 



the adoption of the report exclusive of the clause referring to 



grade marking: 



Southern Pine .Association : Yes. 



West Coast Lumbermen's Association : Yes. 



Western Pine Manufacturers' .Association : Yes. 



California Redwood Association : Y"es. 



California White & Sugar Pine Manufacturers' .Associatnm : Yes. 



Georgia-Florida Sawmill Association : No response. 



Michigan Hardwood Manufacturers' Association : Y'es. 



North Carolina Pine Association : Yes. 



Northern Pine Manufacturers' .Association : Yes. 



Northern Hemlock & Hardwood Manufacturers' Association : Yes. 



Southern Cypress Manufacturers' .\ssociation : Yes. 



American Hardwood Manufacturers' Association : Yes. 



National Hardwood Lumber .Association : No. 



In explanation of the "No" vote of the National Hardwood 



Lumber Association, John W. McClure said, "The National Hard- 

 wood Lumber Association votes 'No' because we have accomplished 

 the same things by machinery that we would not like to see dis- 

 rupted, and therefore we vote 'no' to that report." 



Much Confusion On Question of Grade Marking 



The questi(]u was tlien put on paragraph three referring to grade 



marking, wliich question caused a very considerable and complex 



reaction. In the first place, the vote itself shows considerable 



confusion as indicated by the following record: 



Southern Pine .Association : Yes. 

 West Coast Lumbermen's Association : Yes. 

 Western Pine Manufacturers' Association : No. 

 California Redwood Association: No. 



California White & Sugarr Pine Manufacturers' .Association : No. 

 Georgia-Florida Sawmill Association : No response. 

 Michigan Hardwood Manufacturers' Association. 



W. L. Saunders : So far as the hardwood is concerned, no : so far 

 as the softwood is concerned, yes. It is hard for me to vote both ways. 

 The secretary continued to call the roll as follows; 



North Carolina Pine Association : No. 



Northern Pine Manufacturers' Association : No. 



H. C. Hornby: We would like to explain our position on that. Mr. 

 President. There is a difference of opinion among the hardwood manu- 

 facturers, and the members of our association. 'They have been doing 

 considerable work on it for some time. I would not like to vote on that 

 for the association. I would like to have it referred back to the associa- 

 tion. 



The secretary continued to call the roll as follows: 



Northern Hemlock & Hardwood Manufacturers' Assn. : 



Edward nines : I vote "ves." 



Charles .A. (ioodnian : Mr. Chairman. Mr. Hines and I are both dele- 

 gates, and on that couldn't we vote as Mr. Saunders did for his asso- 

 ciation, "yes" on the softwoods, and let the hardwoods rest until we see 

 what the association itself will do? 



Mr. Hines : Personally. I vote ".ves" on both propositions, hoping that 

 the hardwoods will come in and join us. 



Mr. Goodman : What would he the best way to leave that? 



Mr. Hines : This does not change the rule with reference to marking 

 the grade after the inspection is made. After the inspection is made you 

 designate it by a character on the board, and therefore I vote "yes." 



Mr. Goodman ; I vote "yes" on the softwoods, but vote "no" on the 

 hardwoods. 



Mr. Hines : I could not join you. I am sorry that we part there. I 

 join in spirit. 



The secretary continued to call the roll as follows: 



Southern Cypress Manufacturers' .Association : Yes. 



American Hardwood Manufacturers' Association : Yes. 



National Hardwood Lumber .Association : Yes. 



.7. W. Martin : How do you count these "yes" and "no" votes. Mr. 

 Chairman V 



The President : This is a question for a mathematician, I believe, or 

 will lie before we get through. Where a delegation is equally divided, it 

 nullifies the vote, is mv judgment of it. 



D. N. Winton : Mr. Chairman, if the different delegations here found 

 this was practicable on a trial, they would vote for it. Could we not vote 

 this with the proviso that tbey would vote for the grade marking as 

 soon as they considered it practicable? 



Thomas O'Berry : What was the vote? 



The Secretary : Five out of twelve voted "no." 



■Votes Do Not Bind Associations 



It developed during the subsequent discussion that it was the 

 understanding of most of those present that the delegates did not 

 vote to bind their respective associations but merely pledged them- 

 selves as individuals to recommend the measures adopted to their 

 associations. In this connection, and referring specifically to the 

 question of grade marking, Edward Hines said: 



Mr. Chairman, I think there is a misunderstanding here. We do not 

 vote to bind our association. We simply recommend it to them. In your 

 California association, as long as you are committed to the principle of 

 it, certainly you have the authority to recommend it to your association. 

 Now. if we find this practicable there is no harm in outlining it to them. 

 In the case of Mr. Goodman, there is some misunderstanding there. He 

 contends we are opposing the hardwood association. We are a member 

 of the hardwood association. I don't see how we go against their rules. 

 When we mark we put on some figure to designate the material. I don't 

 see why Mr. Goodman and I differ. We do not oppose any rules of the 

 National Hardwood Lumber Association. On the contrary, we adopt their 

 rules, and put on a stamp, and the consumer gets our material. I think, 

 thereforp. that Mr. Winton's motion, which I seconded, would make it 

 uniiiiiiiinus. This is a great principle we are fighting for. We are going 

 on rei-.uil as the Secretary of Commerce asked us to. I heartily concur in 

 Mr. Winton's resolution. 



Grade Marking Finally Adopted 



It was at this point that discussion came up of the phraseology 

 of paragraph three, which discussion finally resulted in reconsidera- 

 tion of the last mentioned vote, it being decided to, reconsider the 

 last paragraph, the dissenting voters being the Michigan Hard- 

 wood Manufacturers' Association and the National Hardwood 

 Lumber .Association. At this point the words "If found practi- 

 cable" were inserted in tlie beginning of the paragraph, whereupon 

 the secretary again called the roll for vote on paragrajih three 

 regarding the grade marking, which result showed as fo'.lowi:: 



Southern Pine Association : Y'es. 



"West Coast Lumbermen's Association : Yes. 



Western Pine Manufacturers' Association : Yes. 



Califdiiiia Redwood Association : Yes. 



California White & Sugar Pine Mfrs.' .Assn.: Yes. 



Gei.rL'i.i Floriila Sawmill Association : No response. 



:viiehii;.in Hardwood Manufacturers' Associatiim : Yes. 



Soutlieru Cypress Manufacturers' .Association : Yes. 



North Caroiina Pine .Association : Yes. 



