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HARDWOOD RECORD 



National Lumber Manufacturers' Association 

 and the Southern Manufacturers' Association, 

 also some organizations in the Northwest, have 

 recently taken up these questions and are work 

 nig along practically the same lines as are sug- 

 gested here today, except that they have not, 

 : as we know, carried it along as far as 

 our association has. 



I have before me a large amount of corre- 

 spondence which we have had with the vain us 

 railroads in our endeavors to get them to recog 

 nize Rule 19, A. as applying to lumber shipped 

 on flat and gondola ears. There seems to he 

 a difference of opinion among the railroads is 

 tc. the application of this rule. Some of the 

 reads say they are and have been allowing it 

 up until about January 1 of this year, while 

 other im:]. Is s:i\ they have never made the al- 

 lowance t" apply to lumber shipments. It is 

 our opinion thai Rule 19, A. of the official 

 classification has been in effect as applying to 

 lumber since circular im; was issued by the 

 official classification of Hie association, about 

 February 1. 1905. Since that time the various 



i' is have refused to make the allowance of 



pound weights for racks, stakes, etc. 



Mr. Perry at this time read a number of 

 letters from railroad freight agents ami as- 

 sistants bearing on this subject showing a 

 diversity of understanding even among the 

 railroads. 



In taking canvass of the members of our 

 association, we find thai about 13(1 of the mem 

 hers are directly Interested in this question. 



Mr. Perry here read letters from a nui 



of members of his association showing thai 

 they, as individuals, ship all the way from 

 ::ihi to 15,000 ears per year each, <>n flat and 

 gondola ears, requiring -takes and for which 

 ui the present lime they nut only do nut re 

 ceive the olio pounds allowance, lnu are com 

 pulled, as shippers, to supply the equipment 

 at a cost of from :,."> t.i $5 per ear. 



Hui' association has endeavored to gel the 



railroads I rate with us in this matti 



allowance fur weight on cat stakes and equip 

 ment. and also in tin- matter of furnishing the 

 equipment, either iu supplying it thems tvs 

 or by paying tin- shipper the cost, 'the rail- 

 reads have not met us on this proposition and 

 d<. not give ii- am encouragement as to 

 time when we can meet them to discuss it 

 Therefore, we have de< ded that our onlj re 

 course is to sue the railroads in the official 

 class fication territory with a view -i com 

 peiliiiL r them, under the act to regulate com- 

 merce approved February 4. issT. and act- 

 amendatory thereof, or supplementary thereto. 

 a, id to thai end we have applied to the Inter- 

 staie Commerce Commission, which has signifiel 

 a willingness to aid us in preparing a proper 

 complaint Coi the purpose of suimr the railroads 

 I have referred to. Now, gentlemen, we do 

 not come before ?ou on the question ol the 

 cost -f this suit, hui our purpose is to secure 



vow cofiperation and support as a com rciai 



organization and as individual lumber shippers, 

 Vou know what it is worth to you individually. 

 and you know thai only by concerted actio] 

 and persistent effuri are we able to cope w'i'i 



these large questions i nnectlon with lum- 



bi i -li patents. 



Phe committee appointed by your associa- 

 tion yesterday has considered the matter verv 

 carefully, and I am of the oDinion they have 

 agreed upon the desirability of your association 

 beei ming a party to His suit before tie' inter 

 state Commerce Commission and of also having 

 your association pledge ! ts moral ami financial 

 support. 1 have large files of letters leu.' -u i 

 porthie lie- statements I have made, and show- 

 ing ;1j- attitude of various railroads <>n these 

 propositions I shall be pleased t.. answer 

 questions, ii possible and shall be glad t • sue 



mit tl vidence that we have for your further 



cons'derarion, if thought desirable I thank 

 3 • u for your attenl i. a 



Concerted Action Promises Results. 



Mr. C. K. Lloyd, Jr., chairman of ill- com 

 niitte... then presented the resolutions as fol- 



VVhereas The rallroc.ds in tin- official classi- 



>M''i. of lie- I'n'led Stales, under 

 Hue' i !>A. l.a\ .ill effect tor ; . number of 

 years s'l.l rule, which grants an allowanci ol 



" hi for i ;o ks i ii Mai and gondola 



.ars. when |. .id... I with freight requiring their 

 and 

 Whereas Since February 1. 1905, the -aid 



rule and 

 now- refuse t.. ailon anj allowance of weight on 



forest produi 



It is ,; '•". io sup 



at their own expense stakes, racks, grain 

 doors, etc.. for other commodities than lumber 

 , ii.-r fi rest products : and 



Whereas, the National Wholesale Lumber 

 Healers" Association has been endeavoring t" 

 .. luain from these various railroads a proper 

 allowance in the weight, and fur the cost of 

 srakes en, I racks, on gondola and Hat .ars. 

 I. a. led with lumber and other forest 

 pri du.ts ; and 



Whereas. The National Wholesale Lumber 

 Dealers' Association are now- taking steps 

 ish the Interstate Commerce Commission 

 to bring suit againsl these various railroads, 

 in . about a propel adjustment of these 

 matters and to nhtain protection to shippers 

 of lumber snd other forest products, and also 

 asks the cooperation of this and other associa- 

 te a- P.- : t therefore 



Resolved, That we. the National Hardwood 

 Lumber Association beartllj endorse the efforts 

 .,f the National Wholesale Lumber Healer-' Ass,. 

 ciation. a - out lined above : and 



Resolved. That this subject he referred t,, the 

 board of direi tors with " iwer to act. 



Mr. Stimson -This matter i- not ni » to 

 lumbermen. It requires action ami constant 

 consideration ami discussion. I have tiled my 

 claim t' i ilia:.' with the National Wholesale 

 Lumbei Dealers' Association. There are a 

 gri at many oiembi is ot the associatiou who 

 ship nut only large numbers of .-ars 1 ■ . . ■ ■ i - i 

 w nil iniiil i i where I iug -tak.-s that an- made 

 i io n lumber of value are required, bul there 

 is a large Dumber of the members of this 

 association who ship hundreds of thousands 

 of logs annually when they nut only have ti 

 furnish the material, luit paj tot the labor of 

 slaking the ears, .ami this costs I lie lunibi i 



men a large -urn. W.- iia\ e had sot xpe 



rience ami .-. i ted act en, 



On. .■ " I hey 



broug ri • aough to create a -■ n1 1 



ment existing in favor of a revisi f the 



interstate ■ onimerce law- to cover 

 features which they .lid not cover, ami to 

 strengthen the arm of that commission, mak- 

 ing it able t -.-. inplish something and say 



what ought to lie the correct freight. It is 



through the . doits of allied oi ganizal - 



that tl .■ sort intent produced ivbich, 



as public opinion, makes settlements and will 

 ultimately gain the »ht. In J n.liana, 



the la-t -tat legislatut ■ bill thai 



■ I,, inuil'. i the mutual insur- 



ance companies in New York. Massachusetts 

 and uliio .an do business in Indiana 

 today ami the lumbet men in thai 



are n„t for.-.. I to pay the old 



line rat' - of insni; an.l they are 



i i t forced to g., to New York to get 



their insur Thej tven aboul threi 



getting it. luit it became a law during 



las! siut" legislature, ami the 

 business men represented bj these various 

 liunl i i organizations are all heavy shippers; 

 we can't eei along without the railroads; we 

 ;n. friends ofthe railroad co npanies aid we 

 think they should I"' our friends, ami the 

 time will come, if we ait intelligent!;! aid 

 conservatively, when wc will get the things 



w. air eow set king. T) si ason why 



lumbermen should la- put t.. all tin- i x ensi 

 im nothing. Tbej pay ti..- rale ot fri 



and the rate is liigl n lumber than any 



other commodity in proportion to the risk. 

 Then is no reason why He- railroad compa- 

 nies should tod pay fur this equipment. It 

 is a matter of equity, an.l we can get it if we 

 all a. t to", t !■ 



Presideul Palmer Ther. is a commit! i 

 , ii i nis quest ion aid we should be glad to 

 In ;n from t hut coinmitti 



Mr. Stimson ..It. 'ted the following as an 

 amendment to be inserted in the resolution, 



here I h imoditj is referred to, insert : 



• • Lumber ami all othet F< re -t products. 



The amendment, upon being put to a vote, 



was carried and. the question of the adoption 



..f the r.-. . lut nui - as i whole, having been 



pui to a vote and cart c ri solutions 



iiopte.1 ,is amend, d, 



Eaport of the Committee on Revision of 

 Rules. 



The report of tin- Committe a Revision 



of Ktiles was read by Mr. Fatbauer, chair- 

 man, and was as follows: 



We. the undersigned committee, respectfully . 

 siihmit and recommend for adoption the follow 

 lug changes and additions to ou'r present In- 

 spect ion rules : 



Referring to page 12 of our present rules, 

 which reads: "Wnen firsts and seconds are 

 combi I" and drop the word "when." There- 

 for., -.in. a. c should read: "Firsts and sec- 

 onds are combined as one grade. There must 

 he at least one-thud tirsts. except as otherwise 

 -I.-'. Ified." 



l'age 1:2. under caption "Explanation," drop 

 word "heart : " same should read : "The term 

 sound cutting as used in these rules, means a 

 piece of lumber free from rot and shake" 



In the grade of No. 1 Common to foot and 

 over long, heart must not show more than one- 

 sixih of the length of the piece in the aggre- 

 gate 



In No. - Common 10-foot and over long, heart 

 must not show more than one half the length of 

 the pie.-,, in the aggregate. 



On page 21, under caption. "He. I Birch, Urals 

 ami seconds." red birch, must be five inches 



and Over wide; pieces live inches wide Illll-t 



1 ii.- face all red: six inches and over wide 



must not be less than 7.". per cent red <.n one 

 la.c Otherwise red birch must I"' graded by 

 the rules of ordinary birch. 



Page 27, under caption "No. - Common Cot- 

 tonwood," change the term sound cutting I" 

 clear cutting. 



Page 30, under caption "No. 2 Common Soft 

 Elm." change the term from sound culling to 



- Ii ar .titling. 



Eliminate in Red Gum: "First and second 

 is n combined grade. In liists and seem Is 

 ' eces must have one red face and" 



l'age 30, under caption "lied Hum," the rule 

 on see, mils should read as follows: Seconds 



be SlX inch.'- and over wide, loll Io siUeell 

 feel long: pieces six and seven inches wide 

 must be clear : pieces eight and nine inches wide 

 may have one standard detect; pieces 10, 11 

 and 11' inches wide may have two standard 

 dei,-. is or their equivalent; pices i:: Inches 

 ami ov.-r wale may have three standard defects 

 or their equivalent." 



l'age 31. under caption "Sap Gum," s Is 



lunsi be six inches and over wide, ten to sixteen 



feet i.e. 1'leees six and seven Inches wide 



ear. I'leces eight ami nine inches 



'.ni. in. i -i ie standard defect. P es 10, 



11 and 12 in.h.-s wide may have two 

 -i indai'.l defects or their equivalent. Pieces 

 13 holies and over wide may have three 

 standard defects or their equivalent." 



Page .:.".. under caption ".Maple." in seconds. 



I s ten feet and over lung, six and seven 



inches wide, may have ..ne standard defect : 

 pieces e'ght and nine inches wide may have two 

 standard defects or their equivalent; pieces 10. 

 II and 12 ui.h's wide may have three standard 

 defects or their equivalent; pieces 13 inches and 

 ovei wde max have four standard defects or 

 their equivalent. 



v.. i Common, pieces six feet long. 6 to 



In. h.s wide, may have one standard defect; 



pieces l" inches and over wide two standard 



, their equivalent. 



Maple squares: Pieces 4x4. 5x5. Gx6, 7x7 



and s\s. s to 16 feel long, mnsl guide tirsl- and 



I- on three sides, and No I common on 



the 1; I same to be graded as lirsts an.' 



- ends 



Page 37 under caution "Plain -awed Red and 

 Whit.- Oak." sllbstituti "fj and 7 i in u widths 



iii "in sap up t ie tb'rd the width of the 



piece .a on» face is u ■ defect : pieces 8 Inches 

 and over wide bright sap on one face is no 

 defect ." 



Page 39, under caption "Quarter- sawed Red 



a, i « I Oak." in the So. l common, elimi 



naie "7.. per cent must he ii Inches and over 

 ■ 



Page 12. under caption "No. - <Vunni.ni Pop 

 lar." change the term sound cutting to clear 

 culling. 



Pag.- 42. under caption "Sauares. pop ar 

 squares Ixi must he clear of all defects except 

 Inch of bright sap; -".x:. and up bright 9ap 

 is no defect." 



Rules to take effect December 1. ran".. Thi 

 not to be chansed for a period of three 



\ ear- 

 Then, raiium. -r. Chairman, W. II White. i> I 

 Clark. .1 Watt Graham. J. M. Card, .1. M. 



rin- hard and II ' Humphrey. 



Mr. Pathauer — ] wish to state that Mr. 

 White has agreed vith us in everything with 



the excepti f changing number 2 common 



...ii elm, the cutting fr sound to clear. I 



have agreed to make this st;i|, unit to you ill 

 behalf of -Mr, White. 



