HARDWOOD RECORD 



Russe's attention to that proposition; Let the 

 National association take the matter up. We 

 Indiana men don't want to appropriati every- 

 thing that i- _ od in if this thing isn't taken 

 up by the National association wo will have to 

 annex -no, we won't annex; we will do like 

 Teddy did about Cuba — we will put a protei or 

 ate over the National association and do what 

 we want done. 



President Barnaby — You might go a little bit 

 further. Mr. Burkholder, and add in the bill that 

 the grade 1 and number of feet should be stamped 

 on every board. 



Mr. Burkholder — Well, that would be all right, 

 too, Now, with reference i" this paper of Mr. 

 Fritchard's, I think we should take some action 

 on the suggestions mini'. 



A motion was made and seconded that a 

 permanent inspection committee I"- appointed 



Mr. Farrin — Mr. President, I do not believe I 

 ever made any suggestion with reference to 

 rules, except that the fractions be divided on 

 Tie' half inch, hut the associations seemed to 

 think it neeessarj to give from $2 to $5 of our 

 money to out customers without their solicita- 

 tion, and I simply had to tall in with the bal- 

 ance of them. 



But now. in relation to the- changing of the 

 rules. I want to ask if it is contemplated that a 

 third set of rules be gotten up? I hope that 

 is not in contemplation. I think most any set 

 of rules i< ali right, as long as they are' we'll 



unders! 1 and used body. In fact, I 



don't think it makes a great deal of difference 

 what those rules are, because the trade very 

 quickly lits itself to the rules — those who make 

 the lumber and those who consume it. I think, 

 however, that if it could be done it would be a 

 very good idea "> secut one uniform sel of 

 rules. But I view with a great deal of alarm 

 the introduction of a third set. 



Presidenl Barnaby — Mr. Farrin, 1 will ease your 

 mind on that proposition. Most emphatically, 

 no ; we have no idea of putting in a third set 

 of rules. It is our purpose to have a perma- 

 nent inspection committee for the purpose of 

 working'for one set of rules, and if any changes 

 he mad", to watch the interests of Indiana. We 

 are In favor of one set, if possible, and one sel 

 only. 



Mr. Farrin — I am very glad to hear it. Mr. 

 President, and I don't think there ought to be 

 a dissenting voice iu this convention upon that 

 pri position. 



Mr. Russe — Mr. President, I heartily endorse 

 the remarks of Mr. Farrin. I have- always ad- 

 vocated lie- measurement on the half inch, and 

 when any changes are mail'' the changes of 

 measurement should be to measure on the half 

 inch. Ami not only that, but I don'1 see why. 

 in oak and finish woods for furniture and leu- 

 finish, we ought not to put in odd lengths. We 

 take down a 14-foot board and it has a foot of 

 worthless end on it. and we' have got to cut off 

 two feel : we are actually throwing away one 

 foot in length there ot clear stock because we 

 have followed custom and made our lengths 

 eight, ten, twelve, fourteen and sixteen feet. 

 There isn't a single furniture man who will not 

 admit that he could use odd as well as even 

 lengths, and in house trim a great deal of it is 

 used in odd lengths. I simply want to bring 

 that out. so that you wall think about it when 

 changes in the rules do come up. 1 am iu favor 

 of measuring on half inch and odd lengths. 



Mr. Stimson — Mr. President, I have listened 

 to Mr. Russe's remarks with much interest and 

 wish id say that that is exactly my judgment. 

 We measure walnut by the odd foot, nine, ten, 

 eleven, twelve and thirteen. Gentlemen, quar- 

 ter-saw. d oak is mighty pear as high as walnut 

 today, ami wiiy not measure the other woods the 

 as we measure walnut'.' They are 

 tie' same: they are cut for the same 

 purposes, ami there is no reason in the world 



why lumber should not be measured on the odd 



foot. 



I also heartily support the half-inch proposi- 



I the idea of cutting out the give-and-take 



proposition —cut it out: establish the rule to 

 measure exactly what you invoice, and if a 

 board measures seven feet anil a half, there is 



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seven feet and a half of lumber in it that 

 should be paid for. 



Mr. Farrin — Mr. President, this is the hap- 

 piest moment of my life, I xpected these gen- 

 tleman to see tie- error ot their ways, but 1 

 didn't think it would take them five years to 



it. I mad.- the suggestion at St. I 

 in 1902, ami while they an- slow in getting 

 around to it. I ing there, and I 



think if we give them a little more time they 

 will be all right. 



Mr. Pritchard — Mr. President, I want to say 



to Mr. Farrin thai we certainly d< I want any 



•more inspection rutes than we already have, and 

 the main object for which we want to work is 

 sel "i inspection rules, that we may have 



W. W. KNIGHT, INDIANAPOLIS. 



uniform inspection. It doesn't matter so much 

 what the rules are, so long as they conform to 

 the interests of the lumber business, and that 

 we have on*' sit of rules. 



Mr. Fathauer — Mr. President, I have listened 

 to this discussion with much interest, and I 



want to say that it doesn't make any difference 

 to the National Hardwood Lumber Association 

 whether you call a bushel of wheat sixty 

 pounds, or some other number of pounds, but 

 you must not change that standard every year. 

 You must have a standard that you cannot 

 change every year. If you say divide on the 

 fraction, bt us do that: if we agree to divide 

 on the three-quarters inch up and three-quar- 

 ters inch down, let us do that. Let us be true 

 to the pledge we makg. 



Mr. Bennett — Mr. President, it strikes me 

 that we have made an agreement among our- 

 selves and with the people of this whole coun- 

 try, that there would be no recommendation 

 made as to change in the rules of the National 

 Hardwood Lumber Association until a certain 

 time.- I- believe the people in Indiana are just 

 as honest as they are in Ohio or in any other 

 state' of the union, and this is a matter of non- 

 sty ami integrity, gentlemen, entirely. You 

 can talk about your timber getting poorer and 

 all that sort of thing. Why didn't you think 

 you made your agreement? It 

 makes no difference what your grades are, but 

 you agreed to a grade and if you lower your 

 grade you will lower your price. Your hon- 

 n'l mi _uiv will prevent you making any 

 change in these rules until the proper time. It 

 rfectly right for this association to appoint 

 iimittee on inspection to take care of In- 

 diana's interests, and when they take care of 

 Indiana they take care of everybody. But 

 don'1 let us make any changes until the time we 

 agre d to. 



Mr. Stimson — Mr. President and gentlemen, 

 ' very one of you here will remember just a few 

 years ago when the Indiana association ap- 

 pointed a committee which went to the National 

 association meeting at Chicago, asking for cer- 

 tain changes in the inspection rules, and asking 

 for the establishment of a rule, and we went 

 in with a draft of the- same. You will remem- 

 that Mr. Bennett made against 

 this matter in Chicago, and lie was just as 

 honest and just as earnest in it then as he is 

 now. He has since acknowledged that the 

 measure was the proper thing, and he supports 

 i as heartily today as he did the rule that 

 was in existence before that time. And when 

 ',■ gel 8 nib- along tie- liu.'s suggested here, 

 Mr. Bennett will be just as hearty in support of 

 ir as In- is wiili referende to the existing rule 

 today. We believe that Mr. Bennett is just as 

 sincere and honest in his views as we are. But 

 Mr. Bennett don't like to change his custom, 

 is no reason why. when the pressure 

 -. as it does today in favor of a revision 

 o] the rules, it should not be mad-: there is no 

 reason why it ought not to be discussed and let 

 the majority of the members of the National 

 iation iu the meeting at Atlantic City next 

 May decide. We are all democratic in our 

 views, and believe in the voice of the people and 

 in accepting the vote of the majority. It can- 

 hoi ,],, any harm, and that is all we ask — that 

 ented and considered. Let the decision 

 be what it may. and we. as men. will accept 

 ami abide by the result. 



President Barnaby — I would state that the duty 

 of this committee, which is to be appointed, 

 will not lie to jump right onto the National as- 

 sociation ami make them change the rules. That 

 is not the idea at all. It is simply to have a 

 permanent committee to watch any changes that 

 are contemplated and to work for a uniform in- 

 spection. 



Mr. Palmer — Mr. President, there are several 

 gentlemen here who possess what are called 

 idiosyncrasies. Mr. Farrin's is on the half inch, 

 Mr. Russe's is on the odd foot and Mr. Ben- 

 nett's is that we should stand up so straight 

 that we lean over backwards. It is said that we 

 have made some agreement with somebody, we 

 don'1 exactly know who, that we must adhere 

 to. I want to say to you gentlemen that that 

 idea is fallacious. It won't hold water at all. 



