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ence he knew had not right judgments. We must appeal to the public ; 

 call out religion and freedom ; give men something to fight for ; (The 

 present a war of slavery) and follow a directing public. 



" In 1672 Holland in a worse state ; & offered to submit to Lewis, and 

 only Amsterdam firm. De Witz, like all other great men failed in not 

 knowing the extent of folly ; never thought Charles would let them 

 go ; yet Charles did. But still De Witz's maxim was, no country ought 

 ever to give up one point of justice or reason, but- oppose it from first. 

 De Witz not only said, but did ; visited the fleet, made infinite exer- 

 tions, and was torn in pieces repeating the ode 



" Justum and tenacem propositi etc. 



" Not true that Philip and Elizabeth accomodated to each other. As 

 fast as one assisted Holland, the other assisted Ireland ; and Armada 

 was forced to delay, because Walsingham, Gresham & Sutton borrowed 

 Genoese bank money that was to arm it. Here was stock-jobbing, and 

 yet cost only 40,000. Wished these times produced a Walsingham, and 

 merchants like Gresham. Yet still some spirit to his knowledge and did 

 not speak of mountains and mice. 



" If this point given up, should be ashamed of London, still more of 

 abroad ; believed should retire to the country. If danger followed him, 

 would do as a traveller would, who found himself at a tavern where a 

 company of gentlemen were attacked by ruffians ; without interest, 

 would take his share. 



" But am asked a question : Must we fight all three ? Will answer 

 distinctly ; think need only fight two of them ; but if necessary, yes, 

 fight the three. 



" On the whole, wished not to be replied to on the spot ; begged them 

 (the Buckinghams) to take time, and weigh. He knew their worth. 

 His opinions not court opinions : but respected their unspotted charac- 

 ters and hoped their good intentions would not aid the little cunning of 

 others to ruin the country. Should unite against ministers : Not to reap 

 seed of their sowing, but have reaping of seed of their own sowing. 



Then followed a great variety of other matters relative to ministry 

 and their conduct. 



He spoke two hours, besides a reply ; and was not flat for a moment. 

 In his beginnings he is often flat, for 5 or 6 minutes, though wonderfully 

 improved. 



He explained the expression of Lord Chatham's not knowing the 

 means. But I wonder the Duke of R. did not talk of the instance of 

 irruptions by Danes and Normans, as contrary to the case to be proved. 

 Indeed the Danes were finally repelled and Norman line compromised, 

 and in each case the Kings were obliged to reside in their conquests ; 

 but the instances certainly very awkward. 



No news that I can communicate. The King and Queen will be at 



