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kids running around all over the road, and it was really an eye-sore, 

 and we had trouble up in our county and I myself tried to get our 

 committee to eliminate them, but they let some in during my absence 

 and the consequence was they paid a big price for their concessions 

 and when they left the farmers took an inventory of their things and 

 found they were short on clothing and everything, and the farmers 

 don't think very kindly toward the fair on account of that. 



Mr. Nelson: It was our county that he refers to. We ran those 

 gypsies out of our fair ground ; we ran them out of one gate and 

 they came in another. I am with him on that subject. 



The Chairman : You aren't the only one that he referred to. 



Mr. Curtin : I think Mr. Corey issued a statement embodying 

 what the attorney general said was gambling and what was not 

 gambling, and I guess what was gambling two years ago is gambling 

 this year, it is the same thing, and when he comes this afternoon 

 he can tell you what is gambling and what is not gambling. 



The Chairman : But the great trouble is the interpretation of it. 

 Mr. Havner will send out from his office several men to the same 

 place, and one will say that a certain thing can run and the next fel- 

 low says it cannot run, and that's the trouble with Havner's office. 

 I guess we are to have this subject up in printed form so as to tell 

 what the law is and what it is not, but it is another thing to enforce 

 it and enforce it equitably. That's the trouble with Havner's office, 

 they don't enforce the law equitably, so that the thing that we are 

 trying to get at here now is to get the thing in such shape that when 

 they have a permit or license from Havner's office, then our trou- 

 bles are over. We take a man with a permit, and if he doesn't have 

 a permit we don't sell him a concession. 



The Secretary : I attended quite a number of fairs this year, and 

 at one fair I saw a game of chance running and the man said it was 

 absolutely all right, and I had seen him closed out at another place 

 just before that, and when I asked him about it he said : "They 

 came up and told me I could run it." I am of the opinion that we 

 all know what gambling is and some of us are willing to go just as 

 near the edge as possible, while others won't consider that at all. It 

 doesn't mean that because a man has a permit you have to have him 

 at your fair, but when Havner's men are going around and inspect- 

 ing us, as Mr. Stanberry says, one man stopping him at one part of 

 the state and another running him wide open, let him look after Mr. 

 John Doe and license his concession, and if he doesn't run it accord- 



