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just crammed full, and outside of that one instance we had no 

 trouble at all. Our concession money went around $500, and I am 

 of the opinion that any permit we may have from state officials will 

 not let out the individual man or any fair. 



C. P. Harvey: I wish to state, gentlemen, that we had these 

 things to contend with in our fair. Many of them ! And some- 

 times, as the gentleman said here, if a man wants to do wrong you 

 have plenty of laws for murder after murder is committed. He 

 will come to you and say: "We have a nice little game here, there 

 is no gambling about it, we only want a little space," and you say : 

 "If that's what you've got we'll charge you so much." It is so 

 done. The fact of the matter is he has got some little thing that he 

 didn't tell the secretary about, and when it is discovered we inform 

 our chief of police: "If you see any of this kind of work going on 

 here on our grounds, we want you to remove the offender. First 

 make him pay his concession and then remove him from the grounds 

 with his outfit." We have had every year men of this kind to con- 

 tend with, but we simply put them off the grounds and get through 

 with them quick. 



C. E. Cameron, Alta : It looks to me as though you are getting 

 into pretty deep water on this proposition. Now, you know Mr. 

 Havner's office is pretty strict and he'll probably require a certificate 

 of character from every man that comes up for a certificate. You 

 will probably find it hard to get a certificate of character from the 

 average man that makes the county fairs. Suppose a man gets a 

 certificate of character from Mr. Havner and he comes in here and 

 says : "I have a certificate of character from Mr. Havner to do 

 this," and he takes advantage of this certificate. I have been in the 

 fair business for a long time. I have been connected with a county 

 fair proposition for 16 years, and I know what these fellows will do, 

 and tell you what kind of concession they have got. Now, you know 

 a game of skill. I think Mr. Corey has outlined that in a circular 

 he sent out a year ago — what constitutes skill and what constitutes 

 gambling. The position I have always taken is this : When a man 

 came up to me as secretary of the fair and I asked him : "Have 

 you got anything in the way of a spindle wheel?" and he said he 

 had, I'd say: "Nothing doing; nothing doing." If these things 

 come on your ground and you find it out and you stop them, as Mr. 

 Weary said, and run them off your grounds, you are not allowing 

 any gambling on your grounds, therefore you will not be held re- 

 sponsible. If there is a contest of your right to state aid, they 



