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rate with the higher minimum. The railroad men told me that if I 

 had put some sheep in the lower deck and some hogs in the upper 

 deck, they would have had to charge me 23^2 cents for 22,000 pounds 

 — the sheep minimum and the hog rate. The rule says also that you 

 can mix them whether in a single or double-deck car, but in build- 

 ing the partition you must not use any nails. Of course, I can see 

 that they want it done as carefully as possible, but how would a 

 man build a partition Avithout using nails and a hammer 1 That is 

 what I want to find out, if anybody can tell me. 



Mr. liammill : Ycjars ago a temple was built without any nails ; 

 speaking about the rate, that is a matter handled by the traffic de- 

 partment. Mr. D. D. Cutler is here, and I know he will make a 

 note of that proposition and will be glad to advise you in that spe- 

 cific case. In regard to the mixing, I don't think that made any 

 particular difference, but Mr. Cutler will advise you about that. 



Mr. Goodenow: I had this up with the traffic department, and 

 put in a claim for the difference. I forget the exact amount of 

 money, but it was quite a sum. It looked to me as if I was doing 

 the railroad company a favor, because they all admit this is the 

 day of tonnage. If I could put all my stuff in that single car, 

 wouldn't it be better than for me to use two cars? Why should 

 the company penalize me for trying to protect their interests? 



Mr. Hammill: I am going to enlighten myself on that, Mr. 

 Goodenow, and I take it that Mr. Cutler will be glad to take it up 

 with you. 



Mr. Goodenow : You will find that occurs quite often, because 

 the stockmen through the country are doing that. 



H. C. "Wallace : There has been a good deal of complaint on the 

 part of t4ie stockmen against the over-filling of these stock men's 

 cabooses. I have a great many reports from off your road that 

 there have been some very bad conditions there. Among other 

 things, our report calls for the number of men who are traveling 

 on that caboose who are not entitled to — that is, who are neither 

 shippers nor bona fide employes of the shippers. This association 

 has gone on record as being utterly opposed to the use of stock- 

 men's passes by others than stockmen. It seems to us that the re- 

 sponsibility for that misuse of the pass might be charged to the sta- 

 tion agents of your roads. Now, while you are here, tell us about 

 tl:at and what you are doing to prevent that misuse of the pass. 



