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bacteriology, from which spring- the bacterial effect all around, and 

 I want to say to you that the difficulty today with the average 

 farmer is that the man is dealing with a million dollar proposition 

 with a fifteen cent understanding. 



Prof. Webster: Right in connection with what Governor Hoard 

 has said about the oleomargarine situation, you know the beef 

 men all over the country stated they would have to cut so much 

 off the price of their beef if the oleomargarine bill was passed. 

 Let me gay to you that before the Nebraska Railway Co. in Ne- 

 braska the question was up for influencing the dairy business, and 

 certain creamery interests told the farmers if they did not do 

 what they wanted them to do, they would cut off their pay roll at 

 the creamery. The co-operative creameries do not want to be 

 in a position to say that to the farmers. 



Member: I have had some actual experience in the creamery 

 line and in the co-operative business. I was interested in a co- 

 operative creamery- and own that creamery at the present time, am 

 operating it now and have been operating it for several years, 

 and I belive it is actually the farmers' fault when they leave their 

 own creamery and ship their cream to the centralizers and it is 

 only going to be a short time until their creamery is gone and, as 

 Mr. Webster said, they will get at least four cents less on the mar- 

 ket for their product. The thing for the farmers to do is to stick 

 to their own creameries and stay with them. Keep it well in 

 mind that it will be to your benefit to do so. 



Prof. Bowers: In Mr. Webster's comparison he has taken a 

 number of creameries from Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin, but 

 he always took those creameries that showed an average of 18^ 

 per cent. What percentage of the creameries in Iowa, Wisconsin 

 and ]\Iinnesota that have reported has he used for his comparison 

 with the central plants? I ask this for this reason, I believe if 

 he made a comparison with the central plants with some of our 

 poorly constructed, poorly managed co-operative creameries he 

 would probably have shown figures as startling as is shown on 

 the chart here today, and I think there is a great deal of oppor- 

 tunity for the department to work up a comparison with the poorly 

 managed creamery and the better managed creamery and it would 

 perhaps show a little more fairness towards the centralizing plants. 

 I am not a friend of the centralizers ; I am a friend for everything 

 that makes for progress in dairjdug but at the same time I like to 

 see just a little more fair play to the centralizing plants. I think 

 the time will come when the co-operative creameries, when they 



