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every year by me since I have been back here. However, it was not a 

 decision that had been taken when we budgeted for 1960. You are 

 correct. 



Mr. DoRN. Going back to some of the answers that you gave me in 

 the discussion we have had up to now, you mentioned soraething 

 about chartering the Delaware. Is not the Delaware your ship ? 



JNIr. McKernan. Yes. This is in a sense a figure of speech, but it 

 is operated by our Branch of Exploratory Fishing and has its own 

 program laid out for the year after a careful programing preceding 

 the fiscal year. 



By the way, it was short of funds also and what we have done now 

 is that the Research Division has contacted our Exploratory Fishing 

 people and they have planned the work together. 



Now, we have felt that it was advisable to keep the Delaware under 

 her present management and so what we are doing is an intrabureau 

 charter, which is perhaps not a very good word because what it will 

 amount to is a transfer of funds on the basis of the days at sea that 

 the research people use the Delaware. That is planned now and there 

 is a program which is being put into effect at the present time. 



Mr. DoRN. In your budgetary plans, have you started on an idea 

 of actually replacing the Albatross? 



Mr. McKernan. Yes. 



Mr. DoRN. What is that idea that you have started on ? 



Mr. McKernan. In fact, we have had an idea for some time to 

 replace the Albatross but, of course, we have budgeted within the 

 limitations of the overall Federal budget and our plans at the present 

 time are still subject to the limitations that are given all Federal 

 departments at the present time. Within those limitations and within 

 the general balance of the Federal budget, we are planning that in 

 our turn, we will construct a research vessel which will be appropriate 

 and wUl be designed specifically for the kind of oceanographic and 

 experimental fishing that the Albatross has been carrying out. 



Mr. DoRN. That sounds like 1985. 



Mr. McKernan. I hope before that, Mr. Dorn. 



Mr. Dorn. Well, is that thinking for 1980 then ? 



Mr. McKernan. I certainly hope it is before that ? 



Mr. Dorn. Then does it bring us to 1970 ? 



Mr. McKernan. I hope it is before that. 



Mr. Dorn. Now, what I am trying to get at from the circumspect 

 language that you use is, When will it be ? 



Mr. McKernan. It will be as soon as my superiors give me permis- 

 sion to include it in my budget. 



Mr. Dorn. You would like to include it in your budget immediately, 

 would you not? 



Mr. McKernan. I would have liked to have included it in the 

 budget in the past. 



Mi-. Dorn. You think it is essential to include in your budget, do 

 you not? 



Mr. McKernan. I think that for the time being we can do a great 

 deal of good ro^search work without it, but I certainly think that it 

 is an essential part of a full research program that is needed in New 

 England. 



Mr. Dorn. Then, the answer to my question really would have been 

 «yes"? 



