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Mr. Pelly. And you are going to operate less vessels with about 

 the same anticipated amount of money ? 



Mr. McIvERNAN. Approximately, yes. 



Mr. Pelly. Are the vessels there obsolete like the Albatross 'I 



Mr. McKernan. Yes. There are probably two or three others that 

 the State will want to lay up. In connection with those that we are 

 laying up, we cooperated and coordinated our actions with the offi- 

 cials of the new State and, in fact, simply asked them if they wanted 

 them in their present condition, and reached complete agreement with 

 them that they should be deactivated. 



Mr. Pelly. Will the overnight closing of fish traps eliminate any 

 management work and save any money ? 



Mr. McKernan. No. 



Mr. Pelly. Then, as I understand it, actually getting down to 

 research you will have two vessels in the Alaska waters; is that 

 correct ? 



Mr. McKernan. It depends a little bit on the size and I think we 

 will have one large research vessel in Alaska and in fact two smaller 

 ones. Then, plus that, we will have one large one, the John N. Cobb, 

 stationed in Seattle which works the Pacific Northwest and Alaska 

 so that there probably will be two boats working part time in Alaska. 



Mr. Pelly. You do not anticipate that there will be any less re- 

 search work or less effective work during the next fiscal year ? 



Mr. McKernan. No ; there will not be less. 



Mr. Pelly. But you will probably have in your mind that there 

 would be some need to ask for funds to construct new vessels for the 

 Pacific as well as New England ? 



Mr. McKernan. In research ? 



Mr. Pelly. Yes. 



Mr. McKJERNAN. Yes; our entire research fleet is pretty obsolete. 

 Even our new vessels are not in very good condition and the report of 

 the National Academy of Sciences properly assesses the condition of 

 the American oceanographic research vessels in general, and those 

 include ours and our vessels I might add, even the best of them, are 

 in my opinion worse than probably the worst that a country like 

 Japan has. 



Mr. Miller. Will you yield for just a minute because I may as well 

 do this now. 



Mr. Pelly. I yield. 



Mr. Miller. Will you prepare for the record a complete list of your 

 research vessels showing pertinent data referring to them, their size, 

 location, length, power, the date on which they were built or launched, 

 and the date of their last major overhaul ? 

 _ Mr. McKernan. Mr. Chairman, would you like that limited to some 

 size since we have a number of small motorboats. 



Mr. Miller. Yes. I would limit that not to small craft but to craft 

 that are capable of going to sea offshore and staying offshore. 



Mr. McKernan. Yes, we will be pleased to do that. 



Mr. Miller. I have merely indicated some of them but I would like 

 a complete history. 



You can talk to counsel and get together on the type of data that 

 we want. 



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