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Mr. Miller. Excuse me. That was a good place to insert this. 



Mr. CuRTiN. AVill the chairman yield ? 



Mr. Miller. Yes. 



Mr. CuRTiN. Do I understand that this witness was going to supply 

 you with information as to the cost of chartering these trawlers? 



Mr. Miller. Yes. 



Mr. Pelly. I was all through. 



Mr. Miller. Mr. Flynn. 



Mr. Flynn. I have just a couple of questions. You mentioned your 

 operating limitations on your budget. Will you tell us who put on 

 that limitation and what the limitation is ? 



Mr. McKernan. I think every Federal agency is working within 

 the limitation of the President's budget and we are no exception to 

 that, Mr. Flynn. 



Mr. Flynn. Do you have a budget of your own or does yours come 

 under your parent department ? 



Mr. McKernan. Well, w^e have a budget of our own as a Bureau 

 of the Department of the Interior and this comes under the Depart- 

 ment's budget. 



Mr. Flynn. And you present your budget before the budget hear- 

 ing or is that present-ed by the Department of the Interior ? 



Mr. McKernan. I present the material at the congressional appro- 

 priations hearing. 



Mr. Flynn. And that is the Bureau of the Budget hearing? 



Mr. McKernan. Yes, mj staff and myself appear before the exami- 

 ners before the Bureau of the Budget hearings. 



Mr. Flynn. And also before the President's Board? 



Mr. McKernan. Well, the Bureau of the Budget is the President's 

 Review Board for all administrative departments. 



Mr. Flynn. Then you also appear before the congressional bodies? 



Mr. McKernan. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Flynn. As far as the Bureau of the Budget is concerned, what 

 did vou ask for that they failed to give you ? 



Mr. McKJERNAN. I do not believe that I am allowed to give out that 

 information without permission from my superiors, Mr. Flynn. 



Mr. Miller. What was the nature of tlie question ? 



Mr. Flynn. With this boat being out of operation, I asked him 

 what he asked for. 



Mr. Miller. That is very true. He cannot give that out to you at 

 this time. As a Member of Congress individually you can write to 

 the Bureau and ask for it. You will not get it until after the Bureau 

 of the Budget has put its mark on it but after the Bureau of the 

 Budget as approved, then they can come and tell you as a Member of 

 Congress what they asked for. 



Mr. Flynn. In any event, because of the anticipated reduction in 

 this year's budget, your Department made a decision to lay up the 

 Albatross? 



Mr. McKernan. Not entirely, Mr. Flynn. 



Mr. Flynn. AVhat otlier factors then entered into it, sir? 



Mr. McKernan. The obsolescence of the boat. 



Mr. Flynn. In comparison with the Delaware, which boat is in the 

 best condition? 



Mr. McKernan. The Delaware. 



