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Mr. ToLLEFsoN. Do you know whether the Russians have done 

 anything under the ice? 



Admiral Hayward. I am sure they have. They have done a lot of 

 Arctic research. They luive put ships across the northern part of 

 Russia for a good many years. It would be silly for me to assume that 

 they have not done work there. I am sure if they had gone under 

 the pole we would have known about it. 



Mr. ToLLEFsoN. They would have boasted about it. 



They are also doing work in the Antarctic, are they ? 



Admiral Hayavard. Yes, sir. 



Mr. ToLLEFSON". Have you heard anything in connection with their 

 icebreaker? Is that going to be sent to the Antarctic or is it down 

 there? 



Admiral Hayward. No, sir, it is not down there. I heard that they 

 had a little difficulty with the nuclear engines on it. It has been 

 delayed. There has oeen no deployment of it, to our knowledge. 



Mr. ToLLEFSON. Do you make any use o:^ our own icebreakers in 

 that work at all ? 



Admiral Hayward, For instance, the North Wind was down at 

 Palmer Peninsula the last time I looked at the chart. She was help- 

 ing the British resupply. We get the normal reports from those 

 people, yes. 



Mr. ToLLEFSON. Do you feel an icebreaker is an efficient help for 

 research in connection with oceanography ? 



Admiral Hayward. I feel that a submarine would be a more 

 valuable vessel. If I had the choice I would pick a submarine in the 

 Arctic. 



Mr. ToLLEFSON. How would you like to have one of each ? 



Admiral Hayward. I would say yes, certainly. 



Mr. ToLLEFsoN. I have just one other question, admiral. Obvi- 

 ously, you exchange information with all of our agencies. How 

 about exchange of information between our Nation and foreign na- 

 tions ? Do we exchange information with them ? 



Admiral Hayward. The western nations, yes, sir. Actually I do 

 not know what the status of the IGY oceanographic information is. 

 Maybe Dr. Brown knows whether we have gotten it or not. They 

 are in the IGY committed to exchange all of this. 



Mr. ToLLEFSON. Mr. Chairman, I think I have no further questions. 



Mr. Miller. Mr. Lennon. 



Mr. Lennon. Mr. Chairman, there is one inquiry I would like to 

 make. 



Since the admiral has indicated that the Navy was one of the three 

 Government agencies that requested that this Committee on Ocean- 

 ography be formed by the National Academy of Sciences, I assume, 

 admiral, that certainly the Navy has studied and considered the con- 

 clusions and recommendations made by this National Academy of 

 Sciences committee ? 



Admiral Hayward. Yes, sir. 



Mr, Lennon. I wonder if you would care to comment on the long 

 range objective set forth in that report and its recommendations as 

 to the practicability of it and how this committee, as one of the legis- 

 lative committees that does have jurisdiction over several of tlie gov- 

 ernmental agencies, could implement that suggested piogram and 



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