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those recommendations of the National Academy of Sciences 

 Committee. 



Would you comment on your impressions of the report and its 

 recommendations ? 



Admiral Hayward. Well, frankly, I think it is an excellent report. 

 As to their recommendations, if the Navy had to do it I would be 

 caught in my same old budget argument, really, as you know. We are 

 weighed between being ready to fight in the Berlin crisis or something 

 of this kind and how much we will put into the research and develop- 

 ment effort. 



I feel that our 10-year program, which is the TENOC program 

 of which you may have a copy, has the endorsement of the National 

 Academy of Sciences. I think that is an excellent report. 



Mr. Lennon. I notice here that you say that the Navy is presently 

 supporting about 80 percent of the coastal oceanographic research. 

 Under this projected program or recommendation of the National 

 Academy of Sciences Committee would the Navy continue to bear that 

 relationship to the total ? 



Admiral Hayward. No, we would not because, as I recall, that fig- 

 ure was around $643 million. 



Mr. Lennon. Over a 10-year program I believe it was. The Navy, 

 of course, would continue to bear the same percentage of that overall 

 program as it is presently carrying? 



Admiral Hayward. No, if that program went into being we would 

 not have the 80-percent level. 



Mr. Lennon. I note here in your statement, on page 5, that actu- 

 ally there are 20 ships varying in size from 50 to 2,700 tons which 

 are now presently engaged in the £.c,rticular type of program under 

 contract, I assume, with these private concerns. At least your scien- 

 tists, you say, are under contract. 



Admiral Hayward. Yes, sir. These cover everything from con- 

 verted AR's to the little yachts and this particular preliminary design 

 we have is one that the oceanographers have participated in actually 

 to get what they want in a ship. Most of the ships that we have have 

 been other ships converted for oceanographic work. 



Mr. Lennon. Does either the Navy or these private concerns have 

 any modern equipped vessels for this type of research work now ? 

 Admiral Hayward. Any modern equipped ones ? 

 Mr. Lennon. Yes, or are they all practically reconverted from 

 other type ships ? 



Admiral Hayward. We are building one in the 1960 program, of 

 course, but of the present ships, to answer your question, no, there 

 has not been one built. They have a lot of modern instrumentation 

 but the ship itself has usually been a conversion. 



Mr. Lennon. Do you find that even a ship that has been converted 

 but which has modern technical equipment can do a realistic practical 

 job? 



Admiral Hayward. Yes, according to Dr. Fye and Roger Reyelle. 

 As a matter of fact, the ships that we converted for them were picked 

 out by those laboratory gr()ui)s. They went into the actual conver- 

 sion and they are very useful vessels. Just because they are converted 

 does not mean they do not have any use. They will serve a veiy 

 useful life, too. We have a converted seaplane tender and two rescue 

 vessels that were converted. 



