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was to give them a rundown on everything we had and let them pick 

 what they thought made good sense' from their scientific and techni- 

 cal standpoint and then they were converted. 



Mr. Pelly. They were leasing a trawler or two up there and I won- 

 dered whether or not you might have something better that they could 

 take over and utilize to better advantage. 



Admiral Hayw^ard. Yes. Of course, in our case they would have 

 to be converted. You would have to look at the conversion cost as to 

 what they wanted to do with it. All of those ships that we have 

 in that category would be available to any agency that wanted to do 

 this. 



Mr. Pelly. Would the interchange of information come through 

 the Office of Naval Research or through the Committee on Sciences, 

 the coordinating committee? 



Admiral Hayward. Through the coordinating committee but if this 

 is what they wanted done, the Chief of Naval Research would come 

 to me and would go over the ship side of it. 



Mr. Pelly. I cannot see why, if an ordinary fish trawler is adapt- 

 able for the type of work that the Fish and Wildlife Service is doing, 

 they should necessarily have to lease a fishing boat and why you 

 would not have something that would be better then without con- 

 verting. 



Admiral Hayward. It is the operating cost really, probably. I 

 do not know how long they lease them for. When they lease them 

 the man whom they lease them from usually has the upkeep, I imagine, 

 and the overhaul of the ship. They probably do it cheaper this way, 

 Mr. Pelly, I am quite sure. 



Mr, Pellx- The other day we learned that there is an international 

 plan whereby they will study the Indian Ocean as one area in which 

 all nations engaged in this research work concentrate their work. 

 Would the Navy participate in that general collective program? 



Admiral Hayward. Certainly we would. One thing you will find 

 with this program in the technical world is that everybody knows 

 Avhat the other people are doing and they go to the areas. It is 

 pretty well coordinated. You will find most scientists do not like to 

 repeat what other scientists are doing. 



Mr. Pelly. I can only say for myself that I feel very much en- 

 couraged by your testimony that really we are in the infancy of a new 

 rather extensive program. I again say that I am sure that with your 

 background it will mean that the program will be well handled and 

 go forward. 



Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Miller. Thank you. 



Mr. Oliver? 



Mr. Oliver. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Admiral Hayward, did you happen to read in the Washington Star, 

 I think Sunday, the statement with regard to the future of oceanog- 

 raphy so far as this country is concerned ? 



Admiral Hayward. No sir, I did not read it, Mr. Oliver. 



Mr. Oliver. I was quite intrigued by what the article had to say. 

 I thought it was a very imaginative statement. 



I was wondering whether it was a practical situation that was out- 

 lined as to the future possibilities of oceanographic work of opera- 

 tions. 



