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Admiral Hay^vard. Well, if they need a trawler, they have not 

 come to us, let me say, to ask. For instance, of our ships which we 

 just converted for this, the San Pablo is a seaplane tender. It is 

 2,700 tons and it has a 10,000-mile range. Th^ Rehohoth, which is 

 also a seaplane tender, has the same characteristics. This gives you 

 some idea of the difference in the tonnage. 



Mr. Oliver. But the Navy's attitude apparently, in this field, is that 

 it is necessary for the moment, in order to get oceangraphic research 

 work done, to carry on with converted vessels ? 



Admiral Hayward. Yes, sir. We have no other way to do it. 



We are going to build new ones. If the Fish and Wildlife Service 

 came to us and said that they had a requirement for one of the small 

 ships, such as this that was laid up, we would certainly consider it, 

 but they never have done this. 



Mr. Oliver. I am glad that Congressman Pelly brought out that 

 particular possibility in his statement here just a moment ago. It 

 particularly intrigues me because this Albatross III having been de- 

 activated in an area that I am representing seemed to me to be, on the 

 face of it at least, a rather ill-advised action. I am very happy to 

 note that the Navy does have available craft which could be had by 

 the Fish and Wildlife Service if they saw fit to request it. 



Admiral Hayward. Well, I do not know what particular research 

 the Albatross III was doing. If it is a trawler, I would recommend, 

 from the cost point of view, that they lease another trawler rather 

 than spend the money to convert. 



Mr. Oliver. Of course, their program is one of chartering private 

 draggers or trawlers or whatever they may be to do the work that the 

 Albatross III was doing but there was some question in my mind yet 

 as to whether it will be an efficient operation. I realize that that is 

 perhaps beyond the scope of your jurisdiction and, therefore, I will 

 let the matter drop as of this time. 



I want to say in closing. Admiral, that I am very, very encouraged 

 to note that the Navy is setting its program up on the basis that it is 

 and I certainly will anticipate whatever results you are able to get 

 during these next several years. 



That is all I have, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Miller. Mr. Curtin. 



Mr. Curtin. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Admiral, do your scientists and those of the Fish and Wildlife 

 Service collaborate on your findings in this oceanography ? 



Admiral Hayward. Oh, yes, sir. 



Mr. Curtin. You do not work independently of one another? 



Admiral Hayward. No, sir. It is one area that is very well 

 coordinated. 



Mr. Chairman, actually I recommend that the committee get this 

 pamphlet in the record which is "Oceanographic Research Ships," 

 and it has the picture of the Albatross and tells of all the ships that 

 are in operation and their daily cost of operation and covers the vari- 

 ous types of ships. It is a very thorough and complete article on 

 oceanographic research ships. 



Mr. Miller. Who publishes that ? 



Admiral Hayward. This was the Office of Naval Research. It was 

 the Underway Acoustics Journal and we can get copies. 



