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Dr. Brown. Yes, indeed. 



Mr. Lennon. So far as the national defense aspect is concerned, it 

 would appear from the admiral's testimony that the Navy is going to 

 do the job, it has to do the job from the point of national defense, 

 but from the point of the merchant marine and our fisheries program 

 and problems, it seems that the Government has to move in somehow 

 or other to encourage young men who have an inclination toward this 

 sort of program to go into this program. 



I have the impression from the witnesses that I have heard here, 

 since we started considering this overall program, that we need not 

 worry so much about national defense, that the Navy is going to find 

 a way, and tlie other departments of Government are going to find a 

 way to get the funds to do their part of the job, but that wlien it 

 comes to the merchant marine and fisheries aspect of it, we are going 

 to have to lend a helping hand in some way. 



Dr. Brown. I would only argue with you about one point here. 

 That is when you say you would not worry about the national defense 

 aspects. 



Mr. Lennon. We always worry about them but I have confidence 

 enough in our Department of National Defense, based on this testi- 

 mony of the admiral this morning, that they have recognized this 

 and are going into this program in a rather wholehearted way, and 

 we are delighted to see it. It is essential to our own safety. I do 

 believe we are going to have to give somebody a lot of help to encour- 

 age people to get into it from another aspect of this related subject. 

 Dr. Brown. I would agree with that. 

 Mr, Lennon. That is all. 



Mr. OLI^^R, Mr. Chairman, I have one question. 

 Dr. Brown, it is my understanding that the program which has 

 been recommended by the committee of scientists, of which you are 

 the chairman, is based upon a total appropriation of some $600,000- 

 some-odd over a 10-year period ; is that correct ? 



Dr. Brown. Yes; over and above the current annual rate of ex- 

 penditure. 



Mr. Oli\t:r. I would like to know whether or not you have any 

 information which would indicate that the various departments of 

 Government interested in the subject have requested for 1960 fiscal 

 year amounts of money necessary to implement the program which 

 your committee has recommended. 



Dr. Brown. Unfortunately, our recommendations were formulated 

 too late to have any major impact on the 1960 budget. These things, 

 as you know, are started quite a long time in advance. However, the 

 Navy, I know, independently arose with project TENOC, which fits 

 in with our own recommendations remarkably well. Superimposed 

 upon that I do know that individual Government agencies on the 

 basis of our report are looking forward to 1961 and I believe that the 

 1961 budget is going to be critical in this respect. 



Mr, Oliver. In other words, you feel that we can afford to lose 

 this next year's activity in which it could be carried on if we had the 

 dollars to do it with ? 



Dr. Brown. If we had the dollars to do it with I would certainly 

 push ahead with full vigor. I hate to see this first year lost, I think 

 it is a real tragedy that it be lost. At the same time, in my own wan- 



