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Fisheries tliat the union was in now and there would be trouble with 

 them. There is always apt to be a few radical men on the ship to keep 

 things stirred up, but this was an opportunity to the Service to set 

 up standards that would be fair and just. But that isn't what hap- 

 pened. From my own experience it did work out nicely. But one of 

 the reasons I liked it, I can see a smooth operation could be conducted 

 if there was a man in charge of the ship who had a background in 

 ships and fishing, and could correlate the operation of the two vessels. 



Chairman Miller. The Fish and Wildlife Service is operating 

 other vessels, of course. 



Captain Hiller. Yes. 



Chairman Miller. I wonder if you can identify this as a copy of 

 the letter you wrote for us [indicating document] ? 



Captain Hiller. Yes. 



Chairman Miller. I think you can say that is your signature ? 



Captain Hiller. Yes. 



Chairman Miller. Give it to the reporter and he will make it part 

 of tlie record. 



Captain Hiller. There seems to be one supplement missing. I 

 don't have one here. Oh, yes, it is in here. It is a comparison, a 

 comparison of the costs of operating the two vessels. 



Chairman Miller. Will you attach that to the evidence for us ? 



Captain Hiller. There is also another letter here. 



Chairman Miller. Give it all to the reporter and he will make it 

 part of the record. 



Mr. Oliver would like to ask a question of you. 



Congressman Oliver. Yon are not employed now by the Govern- 

 ment in any capacity ? 



Captain Hiller. No, I am not. 



Congressman Oliver. How long had you been with the Fish and 

 Wildlife Service when the vessel was deactivated ? 



Captain Hiller. About 2 weeks short of a year. 



Congressman Oliver. Has there been any effort or offer made by 

 Mr. McKernan or anybody representing Mr. McKernan, to help you 

 get a reylacement? 



Captain Hiller. Yes, I had a note from Mr. McKernan thanking 

 me for my efforts and also explaining they would do everything they 

 could to help me find a job. 



Congressman Oliver. Did you take advantage of that ? 



Captain Hiller. No, I haven't asked them for it yet. I also had 

 a note from Dr. Graham which came on my separation papers. 



Congressman Oli\'Er. I particularly asked that question when Mr. 

 McKernan was before the committee and I specifically asked him if 

 his department was going to be of any help to you people who lost 

 out by way of the deactivation. 



Captain Hiller. Yes, I think they have been very good. But in 

 fact, I don't know if I want another job with the Service under the 

 circumstances. I thought this was a job in the Government service, 

 I wasn't away from home for long periods on it, and my family was 

 very happy with it. I have a son who is now in liigh school and is 

 very much interested in marine biology. I thought it was just the 

 sort of job I had been looking for all my life. 



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