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Congressman Oli\ter. And, if the private fishing vessels they say- 

 are available, you are going to have to go to the bottom of the barrel 

 to get even one ? 



Captain Beatty. The only thing they have left is the culls. 



Congresman Oliver. Not only that, but they do not do a good job, 

 is that correct ? 



Captain Beatty. Yes, sir ; some of these boats are not seaworthy and 

 they do not meet the American Bureau standards. 



Congressman Oliver. And these men would not be trained men in 

 the specialty field of oceanic research ? 



Captain Beatty. Yes, sir; I sincerely believe the money the U.S. 

 Government spends on research work on those vessels will be money 

 wasted, whereas you have the Albatross and the Delaivare set up for 

 that purpose, and, with them, you will get a dollar for a dollar. 



Mr. I^iTH. I was interested. Captain, in seeing if you have been 

 back on the Albatross^ have you seen any improvement? 



Captain Beatty. Yes; there has been a noticeable improvement 

 since I left it. However, a little dressing up with paint and some 

 minor things would make her a better vessel until such time as the 

 Government can replace it. 



Chairman Miller. Of course, you know all ships eventually have to 

 be replaced. They are not good for an unlimited time. And her life 

 cycle is near its end, if it has not been reached now. And our present 

 authority is to inquire not only about this boat but others, if we are 

 going to catch up with the rest of the world in oceanography. 



Captain Beatty. Yes, sir. 



Chairman Miller. That is in the future, rather than the present 

 day. I am very much interested in the union, and while the Govern- 

 ment requires private industry to deal with unions, it does not impose 

 this condition on itself. There are numerous bills which would re- 

 quire the Government to give official recognition to these unions, to 

 speak for them, but they have not yet become law. But the time is 

 not far distant when union recognition bills will be passed, and man- 

 agement within the Government will be required to deal with these 

 unions. 



Captain Beatty, Yes, sir. 



Chairman Miller. Now it might be good to say this, that certain 

 departments of the Government anticipate our doing it now, particu- 

 larly the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare. Those 

 who are responsible for management in. Government are going to 

 have the same restrictions imposed on them that those outside the 

 Government have, because, whether we like it or not, if we are going 

 to say to one group of people, you are required to deal with organiza- 

 tions of employees chosen by them in democratic elections, you should 

 do the same thing in Government. That may be a question of phi- 

 losophy. I am not pleading one side or the other, but I am saying 

 the drift is that way. So far as the Goverment employees in the 

 American Federation of Government Employees are concerned, I 

 know they have done a great job, and, as an old post office and civil 

 service member, I would say, if it were not for their work, the Gov- 

 ernment employees in general would not receive increases in wages. 

 They have to go through the same procedure that private industry 

 does. 



