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Mr. NiCKERSON. Yes, sir, the BT winches were built especially for 

 BT work, and the fishing winch is the same as you find in any fishing 

 vessel. 



Mr. Drewry. Thank you. 



Mr. Donahue. Our next witness I would like to present is Mr. 

 Gerhard Paulsen, one of the men who served on the Albatross and 

 who can give you some information. He lives at Mattapoisett, which 

 is close to New Bedford. 



TESTIMONY OF GERHARD PAULSEN, OF MATTAPOISETT, MASS., 

 EMPLOYED ON THE "STANLEY BUTLER" 



Mr. Paulsen. I was employed on the Delaioare in June of 1957. 

 Before then I had been a fisherman, crew member, mate, and skipper 

 for the past 25 years on this coast and also on the Iceland and Nor- 

 wegian coasts and so forth in the North Sea. At the present time, 

 I am employed on the Stanley Butler^ which is a large dragger out 

 of New Bedford. I am employed there as mate. 



I came up here today because I am interested in what is going on 

 and what is to be done on the boat being laid up. I was employed 

 about a year on the Delaware and then changed over to the Albatross. 

 Naturally I wouldn't have changed over if I knew what was going 

 to happen, but I did it because it would be closer to home and more 

 convenient than traveling to Boston. 



I have a little knowledge of both vessels, and I will say the Albatross 

 is a better boat to do the scientific work in than the Delaware. I will 

 say she is just as good a boat to do commercial fishing, that is, to use 

 commercial fishing gear as any. I have worked on all types of tliem 

 in the last 25 years. In fact, that is one of the reasons I got the job. 



The first thing that surprised me when I was employed in Boston 

 was the feeling between the crew of the Delaware and the skipper 

 and the officer. Naturally, I stayed for awhile and finally they got 

 all the hands together, and I found out it had to do with the pay. 

 And it also had to do with the titles they call the help in the office. 

 They are called gear and equipment specialists. I was surprised to 

 find out how little they knew. One man comes on board as a project 

 chief and he carries the title of project chief. And he doesn't do 

 anything, but he is going to tell the crew that has been going fishing 

 for 40 years what to do. Naturally they resent that. Because he 

 doesn't know, and that is one thing. 



Then, after awhile I noticed a lot of waste due to the fact that 

 the one in charge doesn't know anything about equipment, how to take 

 care of it. I can show you equipment laying around on the dock 

 there for scallop boats. They used one or two of them, but the rest 

 is laying on the dock and has been there for 2 years. It is equipment 

 which, if you leave it outside, it is going to go bad, and it will take 

 a couple of hundred dollars to fix it up in shape. And they are laying 

 outside. 



Tnoticed, when you went a certain kind of fishing, such as scal- 

 loping, there wouldn't be anyone on board who has ever been scal- 

 loping except me. Wlien I made a suggestion, naturally being a crew- 

 man, they didn't like it. However, I did suggest putting guards on 

 the equipment because they were losing equipment. They did lose 



