360 OCEANOGRAPHY IN THE UNITED STATES 



TOTAL 



Vessel $100,000 



Dock and servicing facilities 60, 000 



Laboratory and saltwater supply equipment 100, 000 



Residences 100,000 



Total, initial equipment 360, 000 



Operation and maintenance expenses per year 25,000 



Salaries and staff expenses per year 85, 000 



Total, annual expenses 110, 000 



It is desirable tbat these funds be made directly available to the Alaska 

 Department of Fish and Game by contract with the appropriate Federal agency 

 or by congressional appropriation. 



Mr. Miller. Have you anything to tell us over and above your 

 statement? Yesterday we were holding hearings on the effect of 

 radioactive wastes in connection with oceanography. Have you any 

 thoughts on that ? 



Mr. Rivers. Mr. Chairman, I stated in my remarks that I am not 

 a scientist and not able to contribute any scientific material to this 

 record. Therefore, I am going to maintain that position. 



I do want to say, though, that I realize the frontiers of science ai-e 

 facing us on all fronts, including oceanography, and that this com- 

 mittee is actually among the pioneei*s that are doing some of the ex- 

 ploring in a new field. I am an old pioneer myself from Alaska. 



Mr. Pelly. You are not so old. 



Mr. Rivers. Thank you, Mr. Pelly. 



I commend the committee and the group for taking the initiative 

 in connection with this program. I wish you a lot of success. 



Mr. Miller. Among other things, from time to time we have dis- 

 cussed the cooperative effort that exists between Canada and this 

 country with respect to certain fisheries that I know you are partic- 

 ularly interested in. 



Mr. Rivers. We are certainly interested. 



Mr. Miller. Through treaty we have come to some understanding 

 with Japan, but last year certain boats from another nation that also 

 borders on the Pacific showed up in some of the fishing wat^r covered 

 by our treaties with Canada and Japan. I am certain this caused you 

 some concern, as it caused all of us concern, because there is no legal 

 way in which we could say to them, "You can't fish here." It is open 

 sea. 



Have you ever given any thought to the necessity for some day, per- 

 haps through the United Nations World Fisheries Convention, estab- 

 lishing by treaty or making by treaty arrangements for dividing the 

 area of the sea among nations of the world for the purpose of exploit- 

 ing fisheries? 



Mr. Rivers. Mr. Chairman, we are watohing that plienomenon of 

 the Russians expanding their fishing exi)loration in the Bering Sea. 

 We know the Continental Shelf is a long shelf that goes way out 

 into the open ocean. We know it is high seas and that we cannot 

 stop a foreign nation from fishing on the high seas. That is tiiie of 

 Japan in the North Pacific, with wliom we have reached part ial accord. 



As to Russia, which is exj)loring more for o^round fish uj) there now 

 and for trawling operations — and the Bering Sea is veiy ricli in 



