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bottom fisk — the time is bound to come when we have to have 

 conservation of such resources by treaty arrangement with all par- 

 ticipating nations. Otherwise, if the resource is depleted and ruined, 

 it is to the disridvantage of all nations. 



Mr. Miller. It does not pay for those nations that are conservation 

 minded to restrict their citizens from exploiting the products of the 

 sea if other nations that are less conscionable come in and raid those 

 resources. 



Mr. Rivers. But we must use our utmost persuasive powers, to say 

 the least, to bring about cooperation between the nations that are har- 

 vesting the crop in the ocean. 



Mr. Miller. I wanted to press this problem to you because I think 

 Alaska by its very geogi'aphical position is one that must, of necessity, 

 be primarily concerned. 



Mr. Rr^rs. Yes. 



Mr. Miller. You are the frontier. 



Mr. Rivers. That is right, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Miller. I know it is a problem that future Congresses and 

 future administrations will have to give very serious consideration. 



Mr. Rivers. That is right. 



Mr. Miller. Mr. Pelly. 



Mr. Pelly. I would like to say I am very much interested in the 

 testimony of our colleagiie, Mr. Rivers, and share his interest in the 

 oceanogi'aphy of the North Pacific Ocean. 



Does the University of Alaska have a college or department of 

 fisheries ? 



Mr. Rivers. No ; but plans are on the drawing board, you might say, 

 for a fisheries school to be set up in one of the coastal cities under the 

 jurisdiction of the university. 



Mr. Pelly. The study of oceanography is certainly vital to the 

 economy and the future of Alaska, is it not ? 



Mr. Rivers. Yes. I might say that this research in the biological 

 resources of the sea is increasing our knowledge of the feeding of the 

 Alaska salmon in the North Pacific where the Japanese fish, and the 

 Kitoi Bay research station under the Alaska department of fisheries, 

 under Clarence Anderson, is playing a part right now in the research 

 which the Japanese and the Federal Bureau of Fisheries are pursuing. 



Mr. Pelly. Is it not true that actually science has no boundary line 

 and that the State of Alaska and Mr. Anderson know they can draw on 

 the other great educational institutions, such as the University of 

 Washington, where they have the finest college of fisheries in the 

 United States, and our oceanography school, that we will work to- 



g ether regardless of any confines that might exist as to the State 

 oundaries ? 



Mr. Rivers. I subscribe to your statement. 



Mr. Pelly. I think more and more as the cost of education goes up, 

 educators are pointing out that we have to work on a regional basis. 

 One educational institution will work in one field and one in another 

 because these things are getting so expensive and so highly technical 

 and require a great deal of equipment. 



Mr. Rr^rs. You liave pointed out the way to go. 



Mr. Pelly. In connection with your statement regarding the prob- 

 lem with Japan and the Soviet Union, do you not have some feeling 



