204 ORAL ARGUMENT OF SIR RICHARD WEBSTER, Q. C. M. P. 



other way and the United States do not in any way snjigest their 

 Eeports were not true — because they could not suggest that — they do 

 not in any way lead any one to the belief that they were under a mis- 

 take and had formed a wrong- impression. 



Now would the Tribunal (before I go to the most important time, that 

 is 1888 and 1889) kindly turn to a diagram on page 257 of the British 

 Counter Case, which so far as I know hitherto has not been either 

 adversely criticised; and when the materials from which it is made up 

 are examined, I do not think my friends will be able to ini])oach what it 

 shows. This Diagram shows grajthically the proportion ol small skins 

 that formed part of the catch. If I may tell you, Mr, President, any- 

 body fond of mathematics, (and I dare say all the the members of the 

 Tribunal are), and accustomed to statistics, can make this Diagram for 

 themselves from the original Table of the Total Sales by the Alaska 

 Company, which is printed in the Appendix of the British Counter 

 Case Vol II page 255. This is merely a graphic pictorial illustrati'on 

 similar to that shewn by the United States Commissioners u])()n another 

 matter. The years are given — 1873 to 18!)2. Along the toi)-line, the 

 percentages of suuill and large sized skins is shewn by the green color 

 as compared with ther^;^? color. It would be convenient, I think, if you 

 were told at once what are "Large", and what are "Small". Large 

 sized skins comi)rise "Whigs", "Large Middlings", "Middlings", 

 "Middlings and Su)alls", " Smalls", and "Large pups". Small sized 

 skins comprise, " Middling Pups ", " Small Pups", "Extra Sinall Pups", 

 "Extra Extra Small pups", "Grey Pups", and "Black pups". 



Now I do not want it to be thought that you are to attach too much 

 importance to those particular designations. I am not going to use 

 this against my friends at all unfairly because these are Trade names 

 in the London Market. 



Lord Hannen. — They convey no idea to my mind. 



Sir KiCHARD Websteir. — They convey no idea to anybody's mind 

 as far as the pu])S are concerned but the importance of it is this — 

 that every skin above 8 lb, in weight is treated as a large skin, and every 

 skin below is treated as a small skin. Now if you would kindly look, 

 I give the Relerence at page 4G of the 10th census Peport of Elliott. 



Lord E ANNEN. — Would you give those numbers again ; they seem to 

 contradict each other. 



Sir KiCHARD Webster. — Every skin, my Lord, which is above 81b 

 is called a large skin. 



Lord Hannen. — There seems to be a contradiction. 



Sir Richard Webster. — The contradiction was in the way I put it. 

 It had better perhaps, my Lord, appear on the Record in the shape of 

 a Table: The various sizes of the North-west Coast Skins correspond 

 to weight as follows: 



lbs. oz. 



Large wigs 34. 



Small wigs 23.0 



Middlings 14.6 



Middlings and SJiuilLs 11. 3 



Smalls 9. 8 



Largo pups 8.2 



Middling pups 6. 12 



Small i)ui)s 5. 10 



Extra small pups 4. 11 



Extra-extra small pups 3. 13 



Grey pups 3. 



All that is containe<l on the Table wliich is in the Appendix: It 

 would have been convenient, i)erhaps, if those weights had been put 

 against those names, I regret it was not done, but one cannot always 



