216 ORAL ARGUMENT OF SIR CHARLES RUSSELL, Q. C. M. P. 



could be sliewn that Coppers were found amou^-st tlie Alaskans, or 

 Alaskans amongst the Copi)ers." My friend, I tliink could not have 

 had his attention drawn to this evidence. 



Then on the next page — page 231 — is the declaration, in French, of 

 Mr. Leon Kevillon. It is the last paragraph that I call attention to: 



En exaiiiinant les peanx envoyces des lies Pribilof par I'iiiterm^fliairo de Messrs. 

 Lainpson de Londres, j'ai remarqud de temps a autre qu'il se trouvait ]»arnii elles des 

 peanx (in'oii ne pouvait pas distiiiguer de cclles venant de "Copper Island", et j'ai 

 ^galenient ol)serv6 daus les envois provenant de "Copper Island" des peanx qui sent 

 en toute apparence de la description de celles dites " d'Alaslca ". J'ai ren)arqu6 anssi 

 que dans chaque classe des peaux il y en avait qui ressemblaient dans nu rnoindre 

 degre a 1 'autre classe. 



Now in turn to page 235, and will read paragraph G of the evidence 

 of Mr. Ince: 



In inspecting parcels of skins from Pribilof Islands sold from time to time by Messrs. 

 Lanipson, I have noticed amongst tbeui skins of seals wliicii I should have thought, 

 Lad Miey not been there, were from the Commander Island skins, and, in the same 

 way, in inspecting skins of Commander Island seals, I have noticed amongst them 

 skins just like Alaskas, and, of course, in each class I have noted skins of the other 

 class, but of a less marked degree of similarity. 



Now on the next page is the declaration of Mr. Sydney Poland; and 

 in paragraph 6 he says: 



In examining Alaska consignments from the Pribilof Islands sold by IMessrs. Lamp- 

 sou, I have noticed among these skins which, in m\' opinion, were absolutely undis- 

 tinguishable froni Co))per Island skins, and in the same way I have found among skins 

 consigned from the Copper Islands, skins which were undistinguishable from Alaskas, 

 and of course also many skins in each class which in a less degree resembled the 

 other class. 



Then in paragraph 7 he says : 



In their dressed and finished condition it is exceedingly difficult, and to my mind 

 impossible, to distinguish an Alaska from a Copper, and I assert that if half-a-dozen 

 of each description manufactured into jackets were put before any dealer, however 

 experienced, he would find it impossible to tell one from the other. 



I read, next, from the declaration of Mr. Lansdell. At the top of 

 page 237, in paragraph 5, he says : 



I have found among the Alaska consignments sold by Messrs. Lampson, skins which 

 it would be impossible for me to distinguish from Copper Island skins were it not 

 for the fact that they were in the Alaska catalogue, and also among Copper Island 

 consignments I have found in the same way Alaskas. 



Then at the bottom of page 237, Mr. Jay of Eegent Street, London, 

 says, i)aragraph 5, of his declaration : 



In inspecting consignments from the Pribilof Islands sold by Messrs. Lampson I 

 have repeatedly observed amongst them skins which were to my mind undis- 

 979 tinguishable from skins from the Copper Islands; and, in the same way, in 

 inspecting consignments from the Copper Islands, I have noticed amongst them 

 a considerable quantity of skins which I could not have distinguished from Alaska 

 skins. I should not like to say what the jierceutage of these skins would be, but I 

 should think that 2.5 to 30 per cent was probablj^ a fair average. 



The next is Mr. Boulter, paragraphs 2 and 3, page 238. 



The three best known descriptions of seal-skins are (a) the Alaskas, which come 

 from the Pribilof Islands ; (b) the Coppers, which come from the Commander Islands; 

 and (c) what is known as the North- West catch. 



I have carefully considered what difference there is between Alaskas and Coppers. 



Then Mr. Politzer, jiaragraph 2, is to the same effect. I will not 

 trouble the Tribunal by reading that; but, in the next paragraph, 

 paragraph 3, the top of page 239, he says : 



I have noticed in inspecting the consignments from the Pribilof Islands skins 

 (sometimes as many as 30 or 40 per cent) which were perfectly undistinguishable 



