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from Copper Island skins, and in the same way, in inspecting consignments of skins 

 from the Commander Islands I have noticed skins which were similar to Alaskas. 

 and of course in both classes I have found skins which in a lesser degree resemble 

 the other class. 



So a,i?aiu Mr. Halsey speaks to the same efiect. I will not trouble 

 the Tribunal by reading each one of these. 



So Mr. Slater, on page 240. 



So Mr. Weber, on pages 240 and 241. 



So Mr. Jungmann, of Paris, and, in paragraph 4, you will see he says 

 the same thing. 



So Mons. fimile Hertz, of Paris; at the top of page 242, he says: 



At the request of the Representative of Great Britain, I declare in addition thereto 

 that I liave from time to time seen among the consignments of Alaska seals offered 

 lor public sale hj' Messrs. Lampson and Company, of London, skins resembling Cop- 

 per Island skins, and among the consignments of this latter sort skins resembling 

 the Alaska kind, but I believe it to be impossible to affirm absolutely that these 

 doubtful skins belong to one or other of these two localities. 



So Mr. Grebert. 



So Mr. Haendler. 



So Mr. Eysoldt; who says in paragraph 5, on page 243. 



In consignments that I have inspected from the Copper Islands, sold by Messrs. 

 Lampson and Comjiany, I have noticed a certain percentage of skins which, had I 

 seen them elsewhere, I should have considered them Alaska; and in the same way I 

 have found skins amongst Alaska consignments that J have inspected which resem- 

 bled the Copper description. 



It is a matter of considerable difficulty to say w^hat is the exact percentage I have 

 so noticed, but I think it would be a safe estimate to say that, in the Copper con- 

 signment, I have found from 25 to 30 per cent, which resembled Alaskas, and in 

 inspecting Alaska consignments about the same percentage of skins which resem- 

 bled Coppers. 



So Mr. Friedeberg, paragraph 4, page 244. He puts the percentage 



from 20 to 40 per cent, 



980 So Mr. Creamer, in paragraph 4; he puts the percentage at 



rather less, I think. 



So Mr. Stamp, whose evidence has been dealt with by Mr. Coudert 



as perfectly reliable, and I have no doubt it is. He says in paragraph 3. 



In my opinion, there is no absolute line of demarcation between the Copper Island 

 skins and Alaskas; and in inspecting the consignments made each year from the 

 Pribilof Islands through Messrs. Lampson and Company I have found a certain per- 

 centage of skins which werefac similes of Copper Island' skins ; and in the same way, 

 in inspecting the consignments of Copper Island skins, I have seen skins which, had 

 I seen them elsewhere, I should have classed as Alaskas, and also a certain number 

 of the intermediate degrees of similarity. The qualities of the skins vary greatly 

 in dilferent years; some years the Coppers approach in quality very closely to the 

 Alaskas. 



Then he speaks, in paragraph 5, about noticing females among the 

 recent consigjiments. 



So Mr. Apfel, on page 246; but I do not think I need trouble the 

 Tribunal with any more of this evidence. 



Mr. Henry Poland's statement is at page 250. 



Now, unless I am mistaken, the Tribunal cannot fail to attach impor- 

 tance to this evidence, because it must be recollected that the case of 

 the United States has been that, although they do not go the length of 

 saying that the Alaskan fur-seal is a distinct species, yet they say that 

 the seals that frequent the Pribilof Islands are a family of seals, of 

 which no doubt there are other species in the Ocean, that keep their 

 own society, that go on definite routes to the South, that goon definit-e 

 routes to the i^orth and make the Pribilof Islands their home. Well, 

 of course, it is obvious that if these facts, which have been vouched by 



