ARGUMENT OF GREAT BRITAIN. 



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Emile Hertz, member of the firm of Emile'Hertz aud Co., Paris.— As 

 to iiitermingliug: 



That the said tirm can distinf>iiish very I have from time to time seen among 

 readily the source of production of the the consignments of Alaska seals offered 

 sliins when the latter are in their un- for public sale by Messrs. Lanipson and 

 dressed state. —(United States Appendix, Co., of London, skins resembling Copper 

 vol. ii, p. 58S.) Island skins, and among theconsignments 



of this latter sort skins resembling the 

 Alaska kind, btit I believe it to be impos- 

 eible to afSi'm absolutely that these doubt- 

 ful skins belong to one or other of these 

 two localities. — (British Counter-Case, 

 Appendix, vol. ii, p. 242.) 



Norman Hodgson. — As to sorting 



I have handled a great many seal-skins, 

 and can, upon examination of the pelt, 

 distinguish the sex of the animal, except 

 in the case of animals under 2 years of 

 age ; these cannot always be distin- 

 guished. I examined carefully this day 

 420 seal-skins on board the British seal- 

 ing-schooner " Henrietta," which skins, 



according to log and sealing-book of 

 154 said vessel, were taken in Bering Sea 



during the month of August 1892, 

 and find, to the best of my knowledge 

 and belief, the proportion of the sexes to 

 be as follows: — Females, 361; males, 33; 

 young, the sex of Avhich could not be dis- 

 tinguished, 26. 



(Signed) N. Hodgson. 



Subscribed and sworn to before me at 

 Sitkai, Alaska, this 2l8t day of September, 

 1892. 



(Signed) C. L. Hooper, 



Xoiary Fublic, District of Jlaslca. 



— (United States Counter-Case, p. 369.) 



As to seals sinking: 



The white hunter secures on an average 

 about 60 or 65 per cent, of all fur-seals 

 shot in the season. — (United States Case, 

 Appendix ii, p. 367.) 



Charles Campbell : 



Experienced hunters lose very few seals 

 that are shot, but beginners lose a great 

 number. — (United States Case, Appen- 

 dix, vol. ii, p. 256.) 



Majority of seals taken are females, 

 with young. — (United States Case, Ap- 

 pendix, vol. ii, p. 256.) 



male from female skins : 



At Unalaska I was placed on board the 

 seized vessel "Henrietta" with Lieuten- 

 ant Johnson, of the "Corwin,"' to proceed 

 with her to Sitka. She had at the time 

 of seizure about 400 skins, aud on our 

 arrival at Sitka I was asked to inspect 

 these to determine the sex of the seals 

 from which they had been taken. Cap- 

 tain C. H. Hooper, of the "Corwiu," asked 

 me to do this. I told him it was impossi- 

 ble to ascertain this with any degree of 

 accuracy, but he said to go on anyway 

 and do my best, and I did so. I gave him 

 a statement of what I thought they were ; 

 he wished me to swear to it, but I told him 

 I could not do so, but the statement I hud 

 given him was to the best of my knowl- 

 edge. After the skins are salted, I con- 

 sider it impossible to defiue the sex of 

 the smaller skins np to 3 years. AVith 

 the old cows and old bulls, of course, an 

 expert can tell, but I consider it quite 

 impossible for any one to say, after skins 

 have been salted, that any particular skin 

 was that of one that had been carrying 

 young and from which the pup had been 

 cut. — (British Counter-Case, Appendix, 

 voLii,p.l34.) 



Lose very few seals by sinking; from 5 

 to 10 per cent, will cover my total loss in 

 that respect. — (British Counter-Case, Ap- 

 pendix, vol. ii, p. 134.) 



I am no hunter, but this year I killed 

 15 seals, and lost 1 only. — (British Coun- 

 ter-Case, Appendix, vol. ii, p. 77.) 



The principal part of my catch was 

 young males; there were more of them 

 than fenjales. — (British Counter-Case, 

 Appendix, vol. ii, p. 77.) 



Clat-ka-koi. — As to hunting on coast: 



He does not hunt seal in schooners. 



This season this village got 86 seals, 

 and four canoes were manned from this 

 village. 



I have hunted both from shore and 

 from schooner. 



I told him [United States Agent] that 

 this year our tiibe had got 750 seals with 

 nineteen canoes lishing from the shore, 

 and that Ave had got more last year. I 

 told him that one canoe owned by a man 

 named Kennedy, of the same tribe as I 

 am, had got 86 seals from the shore [in 

 1891] last year. 



